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Old 07-08-2014, 08:03 PM
 
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I see the liberals are still trying to divert attention form what Obama is doing, by changing the subject to past Presidents. I expected as much.

(yawn)


You're aware, aren't you, that no cures for anything have ever been found using embryonic stem cells? The only cures or therapeutic benefits anyone has ever found, were through using adult stem cells. So your statement above is highly misleading at best.
And if we hadn't been forced by EO to stop all such research...God knows how far we'd be along toward that discovery by now.

You can't point to a lack of discovery as proof that there's nothing to discover if we aren't even allowed to look.
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Old 07-08-2014, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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You are amazingly unaware of what the order actually says aren't you? You've been listening to people creating some fantasy in their heads.

It did not order the closure of the base, it ordered that a report on alternate venues be created. Its a perfectly valid executive order.

Heres the EO for those curious:
wow that was dishonest of you

Executive Order 13492 is an Executive Order issued by United States President Barack Obama ordering the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, in Cuba...... The full title of the order is: Executive Order 13492 - Review and Disposition of Individuals Detained at the Guantánamo Bay Naval Base and Closure of Detention Facilities.

In Executive Order 13493 Obama ordered the identification of alternate venues for the detainees



now the REAL wording of the REAL eo, not the one you FALSELY posted
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By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, in order to effect the appropriate disposition of individuals currently detained by the Department of Defense at the Guantánamo Bay Naval Base (Guantánamo) and promptly to close detention facilities at Guantánamo, consistent with the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States and the interests of justice, I hereby order as follows:
Section 1. Definitions. As used in this order:
..........................
Sec. 3. Closure of Detention Facilities at Guantánamo. The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed as soon as practicable, and no later than 1 year from the date of this order. If any individuals covered by this order remain in detention at Guantánamo at the time of closure of those detention facilities, they shall be returned to their home country, released, transferred to a third country, or transferred to another United States detention facility in a manner consistent with law and the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States.



POTUS does not have the AUTHORITY to closed a federal facility or military facility....only congress does


you guys keep saying "list them"

I show you the ILLEGAL eo from his FIRST DAY IN OFFICE............ and you say its ok, because he is a liberal


heck by Day 4 — Jan. 24, 2009: obozo was Bombing our allies in Pakistan , killing civilians and children

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Old 07-08-2014, 08:54 PM
 
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I sure like how the internet uncovers a lot of BS by politicians


Opinion: Dear Speaker Boehner: Do your job instead - CNN.com


President Theodore Roosevelt enacted 1,081 executive orders during his presidency. President Dwight Eisenhower had 484. President Ronald Reagan had 381. And President George W. Bush had 291.

President Barack Obama has enacted 182 executive orders -- yet the GOP accuses him of being an "imperial president," and Republican members of the House of Representatives are preparing to sue him for violating the Constitution.
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Are all executive orders the same?
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OK Pedro; What do you think?



Content of each makes a huge difference.
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Old 07-08-2014, 08:58 PM
 
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I do not believe anyone believes every EO by any President was good or even proper under the Law.

We happen to be in the here & now. though.
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Old 07-08-2014, 09:02 PM
 
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Yes, all of Obama's EOs are unconstitutional and thus they have all been overturned by the Supreme Court. :eye roll:
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Old 07-08-2014, 09:05 PM
 
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wow that was dishonest of you

Executive Order 13492 is an Executive Order issued by United States President Barack Obama ordering the closure of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, in Cuba...... The full title of the order is: Executive Order 13492 - Review and Disposition of Individuals Detained at the Guantánamo Bay Naval Base and Closure of Detention Facilities.

In Executive Order 13493 Obama ordered the identification of alternate venues for the detainees



now the REAL wording of the REAL eo, not the one you FALSELY posted



POTUS does not have the AUTHORITY to closed a federal facility or military facility....only congress does


you guys keep saying "list them"

I show you the ILLEGAL eo from his FIRST DAY IN OFFICE............ and you say its ok, because he is a liberal


heck by Day 4 — Jan. 24, 2009: obozo was Bombing our allies in Pakistan , killing civilians and children
He wasn't closing a military base, he was ending its use as a prison. Reading the very words you quoted would tell you this.
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Old 07-08-2014, 09:16 PM
 
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Yes, all of Obama's EOs are unconstitutional and thus they have all been overturned by the Supreme Court. :eye roll:
uhm...the supreme court has only EVER overturned TWO, one from Truman, and one from Clinton

knowing your history....priceless
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Old 07-08-2014, 09:17 PM
 
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uhm...the supreme court has only EVER overturned TWO, one from Truman, and one from Clinton

knowing your history....priceless
Knowing sarcasm...apparently too rich for you.
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Old 07-08-2014, 09:18 PM
 
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He wasn't closing a military base, he was ending its use as a prison. Reading the very words you quoted would tell you this.
and who has the authority to close a federal or military detention facility.....ONLY CONGRESS....it can be RECOMMENDED by potus, or sec of def, prison commission, or the attorney general


BTW...congress has the POWER to overturn an executive order by passing legislation in conflict with it............

and gitmo is still open
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Old 07-08-2014, 09:24 PM
 
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and who has the authority to close a federal or military detention facility.....ONLY CONGRESS....it can be RECOMMENDED by potus, or sec of def, prison commission, or the attorney general
And when did Congress give authority to open a prison or did we just start sending them there?
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