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Old 07-22-2014, 08:40 AM
 
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The court has ruled that most subsidies are illegal.

Fed appeals court panel says most Obamacare subsidies illegal

Fed appeals court panel says most Obamacare subsidies illegal

This will of course be appealed to the Supreme Court but if upheld, then what?

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Old 07-22-2014, 08:47 AM
 
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Aside from the obvious conclusions in the ruling, this also illustrates how incompetent and/or careless Democrats were in drafting ACA legislation. Explicitly outlining subsidies for state exchanges while omitting language for subsidies for the federal exchange was a colossal oversight on Democrats' part. So egregious that the entire Affordable Care Act is at risk of being completely dismantled if upheld in the Supreme Court. In an ironic twist of fate, Democrats would be 100% responsible for the dismantling of their own cherished law simply because they didn't perform their proper due diligence.
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Old 07-22-2014, 08:54 AM
 
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I've got a pen and I've got a phone.
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Old 07-22-2014, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Aside from the obvious conclusions in the ruling, this also illustrates how incompetent and/or careless Democrats were in drafting ACA legislation. Explicitly outlining subsidies for state exchanges while omitting language for subsidies for the federal exchange was a colossal oversight on Democrats' part. So egregious that the entire Affordable Care Act is at risk of being completely dismantled if upheld in the Supreme Court. In an ironic twist of fate, Democrats would be 100% responsible for the dismantling of their own cherished law simply because they didn't perform their proper due diligence.
Congress passed a gray, blank slated bill.
They let the agencies define the rules.

Maybe that was done on purpose during the meeting with Obama, Reid and Pelosi.

So HHS, IRS and the Treasury made up the rules of the law.
Maybe they thought everyone would just fall in line and obey.

One walks a fine line when they force something on their citizens and penalize them if they don't go along.

Glad to see people bucking this and going to court and glad to see the court actually doing it's job to ensure our liberties and freedoms don't get trampled on.

If Congress just expanded medicaid/medicare to take in those that wanted insurance but couldn't afford it they would have had no resistance.
Take these programs and just add a new subscriber base with monthly premiums.
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:02 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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This has to go back to SCOTUS. As much as I don't like the ACA as a whole, this ruling just hurts poor people in those states. They should have read the bill before passing it.
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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What then? Then, the Republicans will be in a horrible place. It is one thing to rail against Obamacare and hold symbolic votes which have no chance of success, and quite another to actually vote to take away insurance from millions and millions of working class people by refusing to fix the law that puts insurance within their financial reach. If sensible legislators prevail, this may present an opportunity to fix both this and many of the other unintended consequences of the ACA. That's a long shot, I know, but the Republicans will have to at least address the issue before the court like it or not.
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Well Pelosi did say they passed it without knowing what's in it.
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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This has to go back to SCOTUS. As much as I don't like the ACA as a whole, this ruling just hurts poor people in those states. They should have read the bill before passing it.
Honestly..is $95K a year "poor" ?

The poor have medicaid.
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:17 AM
 
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This was a proof reading error in the original law. Someone at some level should have caught it. The two judges are trying to undo the law based on a technicality. This actually puts the Republican states in a predicament like Arizona where they supported Medicaid expansion. Now the Republicans will be in the position of telling people on the exchanges "sorry you dont get any help."

BREAKING: Two Republican Judges Order Obamacare Defunded | ThinkProgress
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:18 AM
 
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What then? Then, the Republicans will be in a horrible place. It is one thing to rail against Obamacare and hold symbolic votes which have no chance of success, and quite another to actually vote to take away insurance from millions and millions of working class people by refusing to fix the law that puts insurance within their financial reach. If sensible legislators prevail, this may present an opportunity to fix both this and many of the other unintended consequences of the ACA. That's a long shot, I know, but the Republicans will have to at least address the issue before the court like it or not.
Why? I'm not aware of anything that compels Congress to address an issue legislatively before the Court has an opportunity to review and rule.

Or, do you mean "address it before the Court"....as in present their case to the Court?

Either way, I don't follow your logic.
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