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I don't get that. When I've had medical procedures that required anesthesia it puts you out in a half minute or less. It seems like they could put you to sleep and then dump enough poison into you to kill you in minutes.
If one thinks of the penalty as a deterrent, why do they applaud adding elements of sadism to it? What is mentally wrong with such posters? I wonder how many violent crimes they have committed.
The death penalty isn't a deterrent, it's a punishment. But just for good measure, it guarantees the perp will never commit that crime (or any other) again.
I don't get that. When I've had medical procedures that required anesthesia it puts you out in a half minute or less. It seems like they could put you to sleep and then dump enough poison into you to kill you in minutes.
The drugs used in capital punishment can not be exported to the US for use in execution under European Human Rights law and EU legislation and the same applies to many other parts of the world. Hence the US problem with lethal injection. The EU provides a lot anesthetic drugs and other such drugs to the US, if they were however used in even one execution they would be totally withdrawn and this would effect the US Healthcare system. The result is some states in the US are trying untested combinations of drugs and only making matters worse. Whilst pressure for the US to stop using Capital Punishment is growing in many parts of the world.
The Eighth Amendment's prohibition against cruel and unusual punishments.
Again, where is the problem? The condemned was sentenced to die, and at the end of the procedure was dead. Mission accomplished. The sentence does not include the caveat that the death shall be painless, or without distress, or quick. At no point was the process stopped and the condemned brought to a higher level of wellness or conciousness for the purpose of starting over or deliberately inflicting additional pain or distress.
So he gasped or snorted a bit. So what? He's dead, Jim. If you're feeling discomfort, advocate for restoration of the firing squad, or the guillotine, or a shot to the back of the head as he kneels on the ground - all tried and true methods with a higher level of "success" by your definition.
Again, where is the problem? The condemned was sentenced to die, and at the end of the procedure was dead. Mission accomplished. The sentence does not include the caveat that the death shall be painless, or without distress, or quick.
The problem is beyond obvious. It is hard to imagine people can't get it right, because it should not be that hard.
8th Amendment: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishment be inflicted.
Either they need to get it right, or abolish death penalty.
I just don't get it, massive overdose of heroin and be done with it.
That's what I said. Heroin is illegal, so we wouldn't have to worry about the Europeans refusing to send the medical establishment any like they do with drugs like Propofol.
The problem is beyond obvious. It is hard to imagine people can't get it right, because it should not be that hard.
8th Amendment: Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishment be inflicted.
Either they need to get it right, or abolish death penalty.
And it's not that hard. Stop making it complicated. I'd argue that the framers of the Constitution, when considering the idea of "cruel and unusual" where thinking of devices such as the breaking wheel or the gibbet, or perhaps burning at the stake or starvation as falling into that category. They did not know of and could not have imagined death by injection of a numbing substance designed to reduce awareness followed by another which would disrupt body chemistry and induce death.
No actions were intentionally taken which caused excessive suffering. Pain, if perceived by the condemned at all, is part of the process. There's no guarantee that it will be absolutely painless or without stress. It's a frickin' execution, not a going away party!
What would you find wrong with a firing squad or quick beheading? Both induce death quickly enough that perceived pain would be minimal, likely no more than a second or two. Neither are particularly cruel, although it may be a bit messy.
Emininating the death penalty would be a mistake. While it's serving as a deterrent to others may or may not be effective, the continued criminal actions of the condemned are certainly brought to a halt.
It's absolutely terrible that any one would endorse this level of torture.
The reason for the "torture" is because of the Left wing political movement has "shamed" almost all companies who's drugs (propofol, thiopental, etomidate etc). Same drugs used in anesthesia to put people to sleep.
The left wing political movement has shamed these companies. So these companies don't want their drugs being used on these death penalty patients. These companies don't even want to deal with the headaches if their name gets leaked out in the press reports that they provide the drugs.
And almost all of these "death penalty" cocktails are generic as well. So cost is not an issue.
And the medical associations like the American Board of Anesthesiology have threaten to revoke a member's board certification if they particiupate in a lethal injection.
". As a consequence, ABA certificates may be
revoked if the ABA determines that a diplomate participates in an execution by lethal
injection (4). What constitutes participation is clearly defined by the AMA’s policy."
The left wing movement has prevented:
1. License medical "experts" like anesthesiologist (or even nurse anesthetists) who are highly trained in the use of these lethal drugs to administer these medicines.
2. You also bar these professionals (who are experts in getting IV access) from particularizing as well.
So what do you get?
You get non experts trying to find veins to inject non standard drugs. Trust me, experts know if the IV is working or not and whether to inject the drugs.
Who knows who's putting these IVs in these criminals. And since they are giving them non standard drugs to put people to sleep, this is what you get.
Just imagine if you were being put to sleep for surgery. Would you want these non standard drugs and non standard personelle putting IV and pushing these non standard induction drugs?
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