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Old 07-24-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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If you see nothing with someone having to suffer two hours in process of death, then you'd probably see nothing from in making someone suffer for two days. It says a lot about you.
They celebrate becoming just like the barbaric places in the world that they claim to abhor. Americans should be ashamed of this kind of mindset.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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Bring back the firing squads, cheap, quick, effective, painless.
Blow off their heads with a shotgun. It might require a closed casket ceremony, but it should work every time and it's painless.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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It's pretty simple, a death penalty means putting someone to death, which is different from making them suffer for two hours first.
Putting someone to death entails a process. Nothing specifies what that process will include or how long it shall take. While I would disgree with killing someone half-way, and reviving them to start the process over again, or needlessly taking longer than is needed, in this case it took two hours. The condemned was unconscious the entire time and there is no evidence that he was either aware or felt any suffering.

What is the length of time you might find acceptable? 1 minute? 10 seconds? And what if someone else says even that is too long? Eventually we're splitting hairs, and at that point the anti-dp crowd screams "Nothing is acceptable so therefore they must live!"

He's dead, there was no torture involved. He won't harm anyone again. Problem solved and the law has been satisfied. Arguably one can say that justice has been dealt.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:30 AM
 
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So, you basically want to be as bad, or worse than the criminal?
Keep your false choice.

Bullet is as humane and usual as it can get. Provided you use a big enough caliber.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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So, you basically want to be as bad, or worse than the criminal?
Killing the guilty for their heinous crimes is different then when they murder the innocent.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:31 AM
 
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Putting someone to death entails a process. Nothing specifies what that process will include or how long it shall take. While I would disgree with killing someone half-way, and reviving them to start the process over again, or needlessly taking longer than is needed, in this case it took two hours. The condemned was unconscious the entire time and there is no evidence that he was either aware or felt any suffering.

What is the length of time you might find acceptable? 1 minute? 10 seconds? And what if someone else says even that is too long? Eventually we're splitting hairs, and at that point the anti-dp crowd screams "Nothing is acceptable so therefore they must live!"

He's dead, there was no torture involved. He won't harm anyone again. Problem solved and the law has been satisfied. Arguably one can say that justice has been dealt.
How the heck would you know if he was conscious or not, experiencing pain or not---even the doctors don't know that. Suddenly you are an expert in killing people?
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:36 AM
 
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How the heck would you know if he was conscious or not, experiencing pain or not---even the doctors don't know that. Suddenly you are an expert in killing people?
Based on the reporting of the story by more than one source, I know he was given drugs to eliminate consciousness. I know he's now dead. I know the process in this case took about 2 hours. If that makes me an expert, then yes.

If he experienced any pain, that's what the process entails. I cannot say for certain that he did not, just as you cannot say that he did. It's an execution, not a retirement party. He's not complaining now, is he?
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:37 AM
 
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How the heck would you know if he was conscious or not, experiencing pain or not---even the doctors don't know that. Suddenly you are an expert in killing people?
So you too approve of the lead treatment in the execution process.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:37 AM
 
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I find it stunning that frequently the same people who oppose the death penalty are pro-choice, which amounts to respecting the life of a convicted murderer more than an innocent, unborn child.

I oppose both abortion and the death penalty for the reason I believe that the only time killing a human being is justified is in self-defense.
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:40 AM
 
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How the heck would you know if he was conscious or not, experiencing pain or not
Who cares? He's being executed for murder, and I'll bet his victims suffered plenty.
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