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Old 08-06-2014, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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So sad and pathetic that Israel chooses to go after the poor and helpless living in a prison instead of the moneyed interest and Billionaire Hamas leaders living in Qatar-it is always the innocents that suffer the most in wars.
I wondered this same thing.

 
Old 08-07-2014, 05:36 AM
 
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Really?

Nonetheless, this "equality" has been restricted. Although the Arab Palestinians were formally granted equal rights as Israeli citizens, between 1948 and 1966, they were subject to strict military control, and most of their lands were confiscated and "nationalized" by the state. Furthermore, under military rule, they were subject to harsh restrictions of basic rights, such as the freedom of movement between villages and cities. This movement was allowed only with a special permit from the military governor.


http://www.wcl.american.edu/hrbrief/...tml/arabmi.htm
Note that what you quoted was the situation between 1948-1966. Well it is now 2014 and the situation is different. There are Israeli Arab Muslims that serve in the Israeli military and Israeli diplomatic corps and are members of the Israeli parliament.
 
Old 08-07-2014, 06:20 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Israel is losing support of most other nations. Although Americans generally still support Israel, the younger generation is less inclined to agree with Israel's indiscriminate bombing of children and families in Gaza.
Across the globe countries are also recognizing that Hamas is the real problem and if it weren't for their hard-line position of "all or nothing", there would be peace. Israel has demonstrated repeatedly holding to a cease-fire, but Hamas breaks it as soon as just a few hours into it. They've now been offered an extension of the current cease-fire, but so far have rejected the extension.
 
Old 08-07-2014, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA.
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If they are losing support you can thank the liberal older generations for doing that.
Indiscriminate? What makes you think, HAMAS is not using women and children as human shields?


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Israel is losing support of most other nations. Although Americans generally still support Israel, the younger generation is less inclined to agree with Israel's indiscriminate bombing of children and families in Gaza.





Israel and the world: Us and them | The Economist
 
Old 08-07-2014, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Default Why younger people are faulting Israel

I found this OP Ed piece:

As Israel faces international outrage over the death and suffering in Gaza, many are asking whether U.S. opinion is turning against it, too -- and if so, whether the shift is justified.

While Americans overall are still strongly pro-Israel, with 40 percent in a Pew Research poll holding Hamas most responsible for the violence and only 19 percent blaming Israel, those younger than 30 are more likely to believe that Israel is at fault. But are they more open-minded, or more influenced by out-of-context images and imbalanced reporting, further skewed when social media amplify inaccurate early information? While the tragedy of Gaza is undeniable, there is evidence that Israel is being demonized by a narrative that is neither fair nor complete.

Some examples:

An Amnesty International report concedes that Hamas militants have urged Palestinian civilians to ignore Israeli warnings to evacuate -- but gives Hamas the benefit of the doubt, adding that this could be due to "desire to minimize panic and displacement."

The deaths of children in Israeli air strikes have been understandably viewed as especially disturbing. Yet it is rarely mentioned that Hamas' use of child labor to build tunnels from Gaza into Israel and Egypt has cost at least 160 children their lives -- as reported in a 2012 paper for the Journal of Palestinian Studies.

Israeli strikes that hit UN-run schools, including ones used as shelters, have been (again understandably) decried. The fact that Hamas has been repeatedly caught storing weapons in such schools, uses a hospital for its headquarters, and often sets up rocket launchers near humanitarian facilities gets much less exposure and is not illustrated by images or human interest stories.

Little attention is paid to evidence that Hamas intimidates journalists with inconvenient stories to tell. Last week, Italian reporter Gabriele Barbati confirmed that a blast which killed nine children at a refugee camp came not from an Israeli strike but from a misfired Hamas rocket -- and said he was only free to disclose it when away from Gaza and safe from retaliation. Russia Today reporter Harry Fear got kicked out of Gaza after tweeting about Hamas firing rockets from a civilian-populated neighborhood.

A New York magazine report that Israeli officials had admitted Hamas was not responsible for the abduction and slaying of three Israeli teens in June was circulated as proof that Israel's war was based on a lie. In fact, the officials had said the kidnapping was probably the work of a "lone" Hamas cell, acting without orders from the central organization. And even that may be wrong: Israel says a captured Hamas operative confessed the kidnapping was ordered and funded by the leadership.

One common argument is that we should take a stronger position on Israel's actions because it receives American financial and military aid. Yet, as former President Bill Clinton noted recently, Hamas receives international aid for humanitarian purposes -- and uses the money instead to build tunnels to attack Israel. It is also rarely mentioned that the blockade of Gaza, cited as a factor in driving Palestinians to desperation and violence, is maintained not only by Israel but by Egypt, in response to the security threat posed by Hamas.

All people of good faith, no matter what their sympathies, should welcome an impartial investigation of the war by media and international groups. "Israel can do no wrong" should not be the stance of any reasonable person. But there is little chance of fair criticism when Israel faces a disproportionate backlash rife with misinformation, double standards, and extreme rhetoric, including comparisons to Nazis -- common in Europe, and increasingly on the U.S. left. In this environment, U.S. support for Israel remains the moral stance.

Israel also fights unfair backlash - Cathy Young - Newsday
 
Old 08-07-2014, 03:39 PM
 
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Chaser199, an excellent response and viewpoint. Is that all from Cathy Young/Newsday?
***eta...finally able to pull up link....thanks.
 
Old 08-07-2014, 03:42 PM
 
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If they are losing support you can thank the liberal older generations for doing that.
Indiscriminate? What makes you think, HAMAS is not using women and children as human shields?
Due to the 3 day ceasefire in place, more and more foreign journalists that have left Gaza feel free to tell the truth that Hamas did fire rockets near the civilian population using them as human shields.

Middle East - Exclusive: Hamas rocket launch pad lies near Gaza homes - France 24
Foreign journalists reveal Hamas' false front - Israel News, Ynetnews
 
Old 08-07-2014, 06:25 PM
 
Location: United States
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Due to the 3 day ceasefire in place, more and more foreign journalists that have left Gaza feel free to tell the truth that Hamas did fire rockets near the civilian population using them as human shields.

Middle East - Exclusive: Hamas rocket launch pad lies near Gaza homes - France 24
Foreign journalists reveal Hamas' false front - Israel News, Ynetnews

It's good to see these reports coming out, I just hope some of the people that thought that Israel was bombing Indiscriminately, will rethink that position.
 
Old 08-07-2014, 06:39 PM
 
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by Jamil Dakwar

not TOO biased

Before 1948 the term "Palestinian" generally referred to both Arab and Jew who were living in that area of the Middle East. It was not until after the establishment of the State of Israel did the Arabs start to exclusively refer to themselves as "Palestinians" as if they were a dissent people. Further, it was only after the rebirth of Israel in 1948 that these Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" wanted to have their own state. In history they never wanted their own state until after the Arabs lost the 6-day war. Gaza was part of Egypt and West Bank was part of Jordan.

Hamas leadership is following the path of Hitler. He led Germany to ruin and even ended up committing suicide, rather than face the truth that he was wrong.

He was fixed on his hatred for the Jew and didn't care how many of his own people were sacrificed along the way.
 
Old 08-07-2014, 06:42 PM
 
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Due to the 3 day ceasefire in place, more and more foreign journalists that have left Gaza feel free to tell the truth that Hamas did fire rockets near the civilian population using them as human shields.

Middle East - Exclusive: Hamas rocket launch pad lies near Gaza homes - France 24
Foreign journalists reveal Hamas' false front - Israel News, Ynetnews
There is another one from NDTV (India).

NDTV Exclusive: How Hamas Assembles and Fires Rockets - NDTV
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