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Old 08-07-2014, 09:56 AM
 
Location: United States
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Wow.
How about we shrink the beast instead of feed it?
I'm all for that, but you tell the police, court system, and the prison system they have to downsize, and see what they say.
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:07 AM
 
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I'm all for that, but you tell the police, court system, and the prison system they have to downsize, and see what they say.
In other words, you think it is prudent to bow to whatever tyrant happens to threaten you with violence.... you are literally the tyrant's favorite kind of person.
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:15 AM
 
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In other words, you think it is prudent to bow to whatever tyrant happens to threaten you with violence.... you are literally the tyrant's favorite kind of person.
The powers that be are going to look for income sources to replace any they lose with pot enforcement.
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:19 AM
 
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You have seen pictures, this guy has done scientific studies... sometimes there is a correlation, and not a causation in the equation, and this guy in his studies has found correlation, not causation.

If you draw the line at which drug, I can't help you. You simply do not believe in the principle of freedom and self ownership...
Correction, this guy claims he has done studies. All he did was talk about his research, but did not link or (for all we know) publish his research. After a bit of research, it seems that a form of meth is already legal, so if people need it they can get a Rx.
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:20 AM
 
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The powers that be are going to look for income sources to replace any they lose with pot enforcement.
And that is the way it is so we should just accept it? The Jews being persecuted in Germany during the 30's was just how it was, too.

The powers that be in North Korea are going to persecute people for not praising the dear leader, or listening to the radio... but that is legitimate because it is just what they are going to do?


It is amazing how spineless some people can be, accepting violations of rights simply because somebody is going to attempt to do it....
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:23 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Correction, this guy claims he has done studies. All he did was talk about his research, but did not link or (for all we know) publish his research. After a bit of research, it seems that a form of meth is already legal, so if people need it they can get a Rx.

Indeed. It's called Adderol.
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:33 AM
 
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Correction, this guy claims he has done studies. All he did was talk about his research, but did not link or (for all we know) publish his research. After a bit of research, it seems that a form of meth is already legal, so if people need it they can get a Rx.
Correction, it has been published and other credible scientist find his work to be rather impressive:

Columbia College Today --The Truth Teller: Carl Hart researches drug effects in humans to separate myth from reality


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Hart’s conclusions tend to go against the grain when it comes to the prevailing wisdom. Craig Rush Ph.D., an associate editor with the journal Drug and Alcohol Dependence and a professor at Kentucky who has known Hart for two decades, points to a paper about methamphetamine that was published late last year in the international journal Neuropsychopharmacology. In it, Hart and his co-authors analyzed roughly 40 studies on the drug.


New York Times -- The Rational Choices of Crack Addicts

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Drug warriors may be skeptical of his work, but some other scientists are impressed. “Carl’s overall argument is persuasive and driven by the data,” said Craig R. Rush, a psychologist at the University of Kentucky who studies stimulant abuse.
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A similar assessment comes from Dr. David Nutt, a British expert on drug abuse. “I have a great deal of sympathy with Carl’s views,” said Dr. Nutt, a professor of neuropsychopharmacology at Imperial College London.
Let's not forget that Carl Hart is an associate professor at Columbia University.


So yeah, his published, reviewed work does hold A LOT more water than, "I have seen pictures."
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:35 AM
 
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And that is the way it is so we should just accept it?

No but it is something we need to address.
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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No but it is something we need to address.
It is, but it is NOT a problem with legalizing drugs, it is a problem with the growing police state....
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:38 AM
 
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It is, but it is NOT a problem with legalizing drugs, it is a problem with the growing police state....
I'm not arguing it's a reason to leave it illegal. I have been clear in my position for legalization but the problems it creates have to be addressed.
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