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I'm not arguing it's a reason to leave it illegal. I have been clear in my position for legalization but the problems it creates have to be addressed.
Yes, but they are separate issues. The issue being discussed is the legalization of drugs and how it affects drug cartels, not the problem of the growing police state.
A cursory search shows multiple threads about the growing police state and the problems it poses:
Yes, but they are separate issues. The issue being discussed is the legalization of drugs and how it affects drug cartels, not the problem of the growing police state.
A cursory search shows multiple threads about the growing police state and the problems it poses:
Are you saying you don't side with legalization now, and I have to "get you to side with it"?
(Again, I do not believe your concern is with legalization, it is a concern about the police state. )
No, I side with it. I've stated that many times. Others have concerns before doing so and I believe those concerns should be addressed. Maybe legalization can happen without them but it would be easier with them.
No, I side with it. I've stated that many times. Others have concerns before doing so and I believe those concerns should be addressed. Maybe legalization can happen without them but it would be easier with them.
I DID ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.
Again, I specifically addressed them and gave my opinion that those concerns are a symptom of the growing police state (not legalization), then I linked to discussions about the growing police state.
This is not "dismissing concerns as irrelevant",it is addressing them, giving my opinion on them, and linking to further discussion on them.
Again, I specifically addressed them and gave my opinion that those concerns are a symptom of the growing police state (not legalization), then I linked to discussions about the growing police state.
Yes, but for those who do not care if there is legalization or not they are concerned the idea might be to raise property taxes or enact higher income taxes and if that is the case they would rather those who want to smoke pay fines.
Sounds like you would agree that the services these fines support need cut back to address this issue.
Yes, but for those who do not care if there is legalization or not they are concerned the idea might be to raise property taxes or enact higher income taxes and if that is the case they would rather those who want to smoke pay fines.
Those people are lost causes anyway. They don't care about the principle of the issue, they only care about how things affect them personally. These are the kind of people who would argue for slavery before 1850 because they are scared that the cost of cotton would rise.
They are pathetic individuals if they say "a violent gang is demanding pittance, and I am fine with it as long as they threaten other people with violence to extort money, and leave me alone."
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Sounds like you would agree that the services these fines support need cut back to address this issue.
Again, I already told you this is the case. When I say the growing police state is a problem, the only logical conclusion is that I support shrinking it.
Like I said, I addressed the issue already and linked to further discussion on it.
They don't care about the principle of the issue, they only care about how things affect them personally. These are the kind of people who would argue for slavery before 1850 because they are scared that the cost of cotton would rise.
Or argue they can drive better while stoned?
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They are pathetic individuals if they say "a violent gang is demanding pittance, and I am fine with it as long as they threaten other people with violence to extort money, and leave me alone."
That isn't the argument.
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Again, I already told you this is the case. When I say the growing police state is a problem, the only logical conclusion is that I support shrinking it.
Like I said, I addressed the issue already and linked to further discussion on it.
You don't know what kinds of activism I do in my day to day life, and it is absolutely ridiculous to say that I have to prove that I do activism to talk about how legalization affects drug cartels.
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