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Old 08-15-2014, 05:41 PM
 
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Really? You're going to respond with 9-0?
Yep. I do understand it's not because he doesn't understand though, it's simply his petulance.

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You DO know most of those dealt with things from Bush's presidency right? And the others didn't involve Obamas presidential authority...right? This is a good example of what I am talking about, people who form their beliefs on propaganda, NOT facts and reality.
Some did, not all did and Obama still backed them. The big one was striking down his recess appointments which were all on him. Besides, I don't like either of them.
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Old 08-15-2014, 06:09 PM
 
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Yep. I do understand it's not because he doesn't understand though, it's simply his petulance.



Some did, not all did and Obama still backed them. The big one was striking down his recess appointments which were all on him. Besides, I don't like either of them.
I think that a lot of people thought the recess appointments would stick as the tactic used was so pathetic. I don't consider one guy coming in every couple days by himself is "congress is in session"
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Old 08-15-2014, 06:18 PM
 
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I think that a lot of people thought the recess appointments would stick as the tactic used was so pathetic. I don't consider one guy coming in every couple days by himself is "congress is in session"
It's not up to you. The Constitution clearly allows the Congress to set it own rules. 9-0.
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Old 08-15-2014, 08:56 PM
 
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I see post after post blaming Obama for things that are the responsibility of the House and Senate. Its almost like folks do not understand how our government works. The president does have some very specific powers, but by far those aren't the things being complained about, but rather everyone seems intent on blaming Obama for things that the Senate and House are responsible for. And looking back, this was true for Bush, Reagen, and Clinton. Its like they scapegoat presidents for their lack of competence.
Polls seem to show that Americans are finally waking up and becoming disgusted with BOTH Obama and the career politicians, who have turned our once-admired political system into a mockery: "Six in 10 Americans are dissatisfied with the state of the U.S. economy; more than 70% of Americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction; and nearly 80% are down on the country's political system...Only 14 percent approve of the job Congress is doing – the seventh-straight NBC/WSJ poll dating back to 2011 when this rating has been below 15 percent."
POLL: Most Americans 'fed up' with Congress

"Recent polling has shown huge gaps between the Political Class and Mainstream Americans...In many cases, the gap between the Mainstream view and the Political Class is larger than the gap between Mainstream Republicans and Mainstream Democrats...67% of Political Class voters believe the United States is generally heading in the right direction...Among (mainstream) voters, 84% say the country has gotten off on the wrong track..24% of mainstream voters consider fiscal policy issues such as taxes and government spending to be the most important issue facing the nation today. Just 2% of Political Class voters agree." 67% of Political Class Say U.S. Heading in Right Direction, 84% of Mainstream Disagrees - Rasmussen Reportsâ„¢

And from the same article, here's a truly frightening statistic: "Just 23% believe the federal government today has the consent of the governed." Know where that phrase "consent of the governed" comes from? It's in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution, which reads: "We hold these truths to be self-evident...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..." The Declaration of Independence - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net


As to Obama, he generates so much hostility for two reasons: because he (1.) does not respect ANY limits to his power, and (2.) because he spoke eloquently on many problems in his rise to power, only to do a 180-degree turn once in power and make those problems worse:

1. OBAMA DOES NOT RECOGNIZE ANY OF THE LIMITS TO HIS PRESIDENTIAL POWER--not Constitutional, not legal, not even practical. Like a 5-year-old in a candy store, he does whatever pops into his head, without considering consequences or silly things like Constitutional limits and protections. Being a classic pathological narcissist, he will allow only sycophants into his divine presence and at his rigorously-vetted public appearances, so he never even hears about endlessly declining wages and job opportunities; the empty Social Security Trust Fund and fewer/poorer workers,combined with 36% of retirees depending upon social security for 90 percent or more of their income (http://babyboomerconcerns.com/baby-b...avings-woes/); skyrocketing health care costs combined with HIS mandate for everyone to buy the most expensive health insurance possible; a Fed policy to keep interest rates at zero and therefore prevent ANYONE in the future from retiring, etc. And he certainly never hears criticism or bad economic news, though if he did encounter them they wouldn't make it past his outer ears.

2. OBAMA IS AN UNABASHED HYPOCRITE -- for one example, consider the last government shutdown, when his endless overspending hit yet another national debt limit. It would have been nice if he re-read his own words from 2006: "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.†Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better" (Obama: Not Always a Fan of Upping Debt Ceiling | National Review Online).

And on the subject of the debt limit and government shutdown, apparently Obama thinks working class Americans are too uninformed to realize that he personally and purposely shut down National Parks, State Parks, and private businesses that operate on government-owned land that were actually EARNING money for the government from private concessions--just to make Americans think they NEEDED the Big Government that robs them blind. As one Park Service Ranger disclosed, "We've Been Told to Make Life As Difficult For People As We Can" (Park Ranger:).

I have to give Obama credit for one thing: he's not so stupid as to think any working American would even notice--let alone be hurt by--the loss of the cancerous money-sucking parasite that is Washington and the Federal Government. Frankly we'd all be far better off, if the Federal Government went back to its nearly-nothing levels of power and funding that the Founding Fathers fought so hard to ensure. National and State Parks, for example, would be far better if we simply putting them in trust and let private concessionaires provide the services (as they do today). The only thing the Federal Government was ever supposed to do was provide for the national defense--and unfortunately this is the ONE thing they DON'T EVEN TRY TO DO. How we can justify paying for a military larger than all the other militaries of the world put together, when we don't even bother to secure our borders or send illegals home when we find them, I'll never understand.

In case you didn't follow it during the Government "shutdown" (as if they'd ever REALLY allow such a thing to happen), here are some more unnecessary actions Obama took in hopes they would hurt citizens enough that they'd urge their representatives to give him whatever he wanted:

--turning away veterans from the Viet Nam Memorial wall and Iwo Jima memorial;
--shutting down treatments with the NIH for children suffering from cancer;
--not allowing furloughed military chaplains to work for free;
--blacking out sports & entertainment programming to overseas troops;
--closing privately-funded Mt. Vernon and the World War II Memorial;
--putting out cones in highway pull-offs to prevent people from LOOKING AT Mount Rushmore
(The List: Unnecessarily Shut Down by Obama to Inflict Public Pain).

But what WASN'T CUT during the budget crisis? "Lawmakers and the president were still getting paid, however, at a rate totaling more than $250,000 per day. Most of the nation's 2.1 million civilian federal workers were either working with their pay suspended or on unpaid furlough." Obama: Government Shut Down By Republicans On 'An Ideological Crusade'

And if you fell for the media and Democrat propaganda and are thinking "It's those darned Republicans that caused those shutdowns!" please learn the truth now: "House Republicans were trying a new strategy Tuesday, planning votes to reopen parts of the government. That includes opening parks and resuming speedier processing for claims for veterans benefits, and allowing the District of Columbia to collect garbage and pay for other city services with its own tax money. That was swiftly rejected by White House spokesman Jay Carney as "not a serious approach." Obama: Government Shut Down By Republicans On 'An Ideological Crusade'


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Old 08-15-2014, 10:36 PM
 
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It's not up to you. The Constitution clearly allows the Congress to set it own rules. 9-0.
Agreed, got any others that deal with Obama? Or is it just one case that for some reason you think merits a bumper sticker response?

LOL given that most deal with Bush...shouldn't it be Bush 9-0? And the next president will get the Obama 9-0 given how long it takes for these cases to get there?
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Old 08-15-2014, 10:50 PM
 
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Polls seem to show that Americans are finally waking up and becoming disgusted with BOTH Obama and the career politicians, who have turned our once-admired political system into a mockery: "Six in 10 Americans are dissatisfied with the state of the U.S. economy; more than 70% of Americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction; and nearly 80% are down on the country's political system...Only 14 percent approve of the job Congress is doing – the seventh-straight NBC/WSJ poll dating back to 2011 when this rating has been below 15 percent."
POLL: Most Americans 'fed up' with Congress

"Recent polling has shown huge gaps between the Political Class and Mainstream Americans...In many cases, the gap between the Mainstream view and the Political Class is larger than the gap between Mainstream Republicans and Mainstream Democrats...67% of Political Class voters believe the United States is generally heading in the right direction...Among (mainstream) voters, 84% say the country has gotten off on the wrong track..24% of mainstream voters consider fiscal policy issues such as taxes and government spending to be the most important issue facing the nation today. Just 2% of Political Class voters agree." 67% of Political Class Say U.S. Heading in Right Direction, 84% of Mainstream Disagrees - Rasmussen Reports™

And from the same article, here's a truly frightening statistic: "Just 23% believe the federal government today has the consent of the governed." Know where that phrase "consent of the governed" comes from? It's in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution, which reads: "We hold these truths to be self-evident...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..." The Declaration of Independence - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net
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pretty much agree with the factual parts of this, the opinions are just that....but then we wander.

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As to Obama, he generates so much hostility for two reasons: because he (1.) does not respect ANY limits to his power, and (2.) because he spoke eloquently on many problems in his rise to power, only to do a 180-degree turn once in power and make those problems worse:
Really? So he has started imprisoning any who disagree? Turns out he does in fact respect the limits on his power.

The second part, now thats true to some degree. Of course since I (unlike some others apparently) recognize that his powers have limits and he has to work within those am unsurprised that he has not been able to hold those up. Disappointed to some degree yes, but im a realist.

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1. OBAMA DOES NOT RECOGNIZE ANY OF THE LIMITS TO HIS PRESIDENTIAL POWER--not Constitutional, not legal, not even practical. Like a 5-year-old in a candy store, he does whatever pops into his head, without considering consequences or silly things like Constitutional limits and protections. Being a classic pathological narcissist, he will allow only sycophants into his divine presence and at his rigorously-vetted public appearances, so he never even hears about endlessly declining wages and job opportunities; the empty Social Security Trust Fund and fewer/poorer workers,combined with 36% of retirees depending upon social security for 90 percent or more of their income (http://babyboomerconcerns.com/baby-b...avings-woes/); skyrocketing health care costs combined with HIS mandate for everyone to buy the most expensive health insurance possible; a Fed policy to keep interest rates at zero and therefore prevent ANYONE in the future from retiring, etc. And he certainly never hears criticism or bad economic news, though if he did encounter them they wouldn't make it past his outer ears.
Soooo the black booted govt thugs are going to come get you for this post? And the president is going to take congress out and shoot them on the whitehouse lawn as a abject lesson?

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2. OBAMA IS AN UNABASHED HYPOCRITE -- for one example, consider the last government shutdown, when his endless overspending hit yet another national debt limit. It would have been nice if he re-read his own words from 2006: "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better" (Obama: Not Always a Fan of Upping Debt Ceiling | National Review Online).
Hmm...might have had something to do with putting a couple wars on the credit card while we as a nation were doing well. It might amaze you to learn that during massive depressions more government debt is actually good? In other words there is a time and a place for government debt-a recession is one of them, 2006 was not.

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And on the subject of the debt limit and government shutdown, apparently Obama thinks working class Americans are too uninformed to realize that he personally and purposely shut down National Parks, State Parks, and private businesses that operate on government-owned land that were actually EARNING money for the government from private concessions--just to make Americans think they NEEDED the Big Government that robs them blind. As one Park Service Ranger disclosed, "We've Been Told to Make Life As Difficult For People As We Can" (Park Ranger:).
Sigh. yes im sure Obama told that specific park ranger that.

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I have to give Obama credit for one thing: he's not so stupid as to think any working American would even notice--let alone be hurt by--the loss of the cancerous money-sucking parasite that is Washington and the Federal Government. Frankly we'd all be far better off, if the Federal Government went back to its nearly-nothing levels of power and funding that the Founding Fathers fought so hard to ensure. National and State Parks, for example, would be far better if we simply putting them in trust and let private concessionaires provide the services (as they do today). The only thing the Federal Government was ever supposed to do was provide for the national defense--and unfortunately this is the ONE thing they DON'T EVEN TRY TO DO. How we can justify paying for a military larger than all the other militaries of the world put together, when we don't even bother to secure our borders or send illegals home when we find them, I'll never understand.
Really? So Obama travelled back in time to start this trend? I mean hey, its one thing to repeatedly claim Obama is dictator and controls everything, but dont you think time travel is a bit much?

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In case you didn't follow it during the Government "shutdown" (as if they'd ever REALLY allow such a thing to happen), here are some more unnecessary actions Obama took in hopes they would hurt citizens enough that they'd urge their representatives to give him whatever he wanted:

--turning away veterans from the Viet Nam Memorial wall and Iwo Jima memorial;
--shutting down treatments with the NIH for children suffering from cancer;
--not allowing furloughed military chaplains to work for free;
--blacking out sports & entertainment programming to overseas troops;
--closing privately-funded Mt. Vernon and the World War II Memorial;
--putting out cones in highway pull-offs to prevent people from LOOKING AT Mount Rushmore
(The List: Unnecessarily Shut Down by Obama to Inflict Public Pain).
Fun fact, shutting down a government is never going to happen cleanly and clearly. In fact maximum pain means that the people who are in charge (The house and senate) might actually get off their butt and resolve it instead of doing massive economic damage thats harder to gauge.

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But what WASN'T CUT during the budget crisis? "Lawmakers and the president were still getting paid, however, at a rate totaling more than $250,000 per day. Most of the nation's 2.1 million civilian federal workers were either working with their pay suspended or on unpaid furlough." Obama: Government Shut Down By Republicans On 'An Ideological Crusade'
Ohh look at this, on one statement you go on about Obama not respecting the limits of his powers, and then you start going on about how lawmakers and the president shouldnt have been paid. Might I refer you to the 27th amendment? Sigh. And why shouldnt the president get paid? He is not the one causing the issue
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And if you fell for the media and Democrat propaganda and are thinking "It's those darned Republicans that caused those shutdowns!" please learn the truth now: "House Republicans were trying a new strategy Tuesday, planning votes to reopen parts of the government. That includes opening parks and resuming speedier processing for claims for veterans benefits, and allowing the District of Columbia to collect garbage and pay for other city services with its own tax money. That was swiftly rejected by White House spokesman Jay Carney as "not a serious approach." Obama: Government Shut Down By Republicans On 'An Ideological Crusade'
No maybe you don't get it. Its NOT a serious solution to fund parts of it, you're basically allowing a minority define what is and isn't funded no matter what the majority wanted.

So much fail here.
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Old 08-16-2014, 05:27 PM
 
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I'm sure the vast majority did. Upon reflection I believe that many forget the reality of how it works when they are getting bombarded with propaganda saying differently.
I've been saying your original post since day one. I'm sure they know. They just have their listening turned off. They'd rather sit here and blame one person instead of looking at all angles. They don't want to admit that their side screwed up too. This is one reason why even though I'm registered, I don't identify with any party. Everybody is at fault. Yes that includes the voters. As I've said before, if you don't like something you need to band together so you can change it.
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