Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
4 Muslim students approached school officials and REQUESTED an accommodation to pray for Salat.
Incorrect. They asked to be allowed to observe Salat, to pray, a right they already had. They requested no further accommodations than to pray, which they don't need a separate room in which to do.
Incorrect. They asked to be allowed to observe Salat, to pray, a right they already had. They requested no further accommodations than to pray, which they don't need a separate room in which to do.
How the hell do you know this (not that it matters one bit)? Do you have a report about the details of the conversation that took place when the 4 Muslim students approached the school administration and requested an accommodation to observe Salat?
We have 2 facts:
1) 4 Muslim students approached the school's administration and requested an accommodation in order to observe Salat.
2) The school granted the Muslim students an accommodation to observe Salat in the form of the use of an otherwise vacant room for 10 minutes a day at the time of Salat.
We have no clue how the idea to use that room for 10 minutes per day was suggested. Perhaps the students proposed that exact accommodation. Perhaps the students didn't have any specific accommodation in mind, and the school suggested that accommodation. Perhaps the students requested the use of the cafeteria for an entire hour and use of the school intercom to broadcast the Call to Prayer and the school said no, we're only willing to give you the use of a vacant classroom for 10 minutes - take it or leave it.
But you know what - it doesn't matter bit. Providing these Muslims this accommodation to observe Salat - no matter how it came about - does not violate any antidiscrimination law. It doesn't even come close.
Do the Buddhists and Hindus pray each day at a set time?
What is wrong with Muslims praying in silent, is allah not listening if a room is not available? If Buddhists & Hindus wanted a room do you think they'd get one also?
Quote:
This room is being used for TEN MINUTES around lunchtime each day. It's not used all day long.
Separation of Church and Education......Christians enjoy the Christmas tree and those are being removed all the time in classrooms. Guess Muslims have to deal with using a hose to wash those feet.
Why did taxpayers have to pay for use of something only a certain religious group uses at school?
It is not about Muslims praying, it's about asking for special privileges others are not allowed to have. Praying can be done in silent anytime they wish.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
They can be used by ANYONE who wants to use them. They can be used to wash soccer balls. They can be used to fill pails with water for someone to wash their car. They can be used to fill water bowls for dogs.
The $25,000 wasn't used to provide for just one group. The money was spent to install ground level sinks that anyone can use.
Show me a link, otherwise I call BS. No way would a Muslim allow a dog to drink from a footbath.
Does this mean you've joined the camp to keep ALL religions (prayers of any kind) out of public schools? Informed Consent clearly has.
That's a huge leap from what I posted, and takes us off topic.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
Again, they provided the Muslim students with a vacant room for TEN MINUTES a day, so that the student body would not be disrupted. The school, in keeping the students' day from being disrupted, are NOT promoting a specific religion, or even promoting religion in general.
YOU don't get it because you are so focused on the idea that Muslim students are getting something that Christian students aren't getting, that you don't see what Christian students ARE getting. An education without any disruptions or distractions.
No, YOU and others don't get it because you are rationalizing it. It's very, very clear. One religion is being singled out and promoted. Do you not see that? You cannot rationalize matters of law. Your own ideas of the practicality of the action do not make it legal. The law cannot be violated "just because it is better" in the administration's view to do something a certain way. Yes, common sense might tell us that this is less disruptive to the other students, but the fact remains that this discriminates under the law.
Forget for the moment your focus on "Christian students". The argument I would make is that if the school made special accommodations for one religion (and that could be ANY religion) without being requested to do so, they must at the same time make the same accommodation for all.
Switch the two groups and consider that the school set aside a separate room, without being asked to do so, for the Christian students ONLY. Would you still be arguing along the same lines? Or would you be shoutin' and hollerin' about separation of church and state.
And then, I'd come along and try to convince you that it's far less disruptive to all the other students to have Christians start their day with prayers in a separate room, and that you should focus not on what other students aren't getting, but on what the rest of the students ARE getting -- an education without disruptions.
"Students' rights to initiate and participate in voluntary Bible Clubs or Prayer Groups was unequivocally resolved by the Supreme Court's decision concerning the Equal Access Act, Westside Community Schools v. Mergens. In an 8 to 1 decision, the Mergens Court held that the Equal Access Act which requires public schools to allow student-initiated Bible Clubs or prayer groups equal access to meet on campus, is Constitutional."
You gave the rights Christians are suppose to have at schools. You really don't need me to post where ACLJ has many lawsuits against schools. This one is old, but shows how some teachers treat Christians at school. Bet this teacher would not say this to another person of religion.....or we would have heard about it. Media ho's and all!
The lawsuit accuses the district of four violations of the U.S. Constitution, three violations of the Texas Constitution and two violations of state laws. It asks that a judge order the district to allow the carrying of Bibles in school and the use of book covers printed with the Ten Commandments or other religious content.
"My daughters called me, were hysterical, and said, 'Mama, they took our Bibles and called them garbage and threw them in the garbage and then threatened to call Child Protective Services,' " Deborah Bedenbender, 37, a Willis homemaker, said Tuesday.
Seriously Child Protective service for carrying a Bible???
I did wonder what happens if one faces west rather than east, if the prayer gets confused in translation.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge
More BS.
Christian kids can have all the prayer groups they want. No one stops them. The school cannot sponsor the groups, nor promote them. But kids can pray, and even have prayer groups. My school certainly did.
High school and Universitys are different. George Mason it a Catholic University even bigger difference.
If this was an ALL Muslim school go for it! Funny, you are one at times who speaks the loudest about separation of Church and State and here you are.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
