The Official School Vouchers/Charter School Thread (independent, ideology, elect)

[irspow]

Originally Posted by Liberty Above All Else

Those that can not compete do everything in their power to prevent competition because they know they can not deal with being exposed as the frauds and liars they are.

Yeah, the public indoctrination camps are of, by, and for the unions. And because they are "public" simply cater to the lowest common denominator. If they had to compete with private schools with an actual goal of education instead of indoctrination, they would be completely defunded by the free market.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by irspow

Yeah, the public indoctrination camps are of, by, and for the unions. And because they are "public" simply cater to the lowest common denominator. If they had to compete with private schools with an actual goal of education instead of indoctrination, they would be completely defunded by the free market.

How exactly do public schools indoctrinate students ?

[irspow]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

How exactly do public schools indoctrinate students ?

A government approved curriculum...worked for Hitler

[Liberty Above All Else]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

How exactly do public schools indoctrinate students ?

Liberal Indoctrination In Schools? Don't Be Silly, You Paranoid Rightwingers. It's All In Your Head. - Chicks on the Right

A Second Amendment interpretation you won’t believe, brought to you by a public school textbook | Rare

Better yet Google them..But the again you will fight every claim we put forth....

[T-310]

Originally Posted by mohawkx

In a parochial school there are still minimum government mandated standards and educational goals the school must meet. My first 8 years were in St. Mary's Catholic School so I'm familiar with how their curriculum works.

In parochial school, the standards they set for themselves far exceed any state mandated minimums.

Public schools follow a baseline minimum. Which means students get a minimum education. Who set those minimums? As far as I am concerned they are too low. They are designed to let even the stupidest fool move up in the grades for "self esteem" purposes.

[dsjj251]

Originally Posted by irspow

A government approved curriculum...worked for Hitler

Because Public schools didnt exist until Hitler was given power ?

Originally Posted by Liberty Above All Else

Liberal Indoctrination In Schools? Don't Be Silly, You Paranoid Rightwingers. It's All In Your Head. - Chicks on the Right

A Second Amendment interpretation you won’t believe, brought to you by a public school textbook | Rare

Better yet Google them..But the again you will fight every claim we put forth....

But your argument seems to be an ideological preference as if their arent both Liberal and conservative bias in public schools ?

Are you saying there arent conservative school districts ?

[Liberty Above All Else]

Originally Posted by T-310

In parochial school, the standards they set for themselves far exceed any state mandated minimums.

Public schools follow a baseline minimum. Which means students get a minimum education. Who set those minimums? As far as I am concerned they are too low. They are designed to let even the stupidest fool move up in the grades for "self esteem" purposes.

And it shows, after 40 years America looks like what happens when you reduce education and everything else around the lowest common denominator...

[Liberty Above All Else]

Originally Posted by dsjj251

Because Public schools didnt exist until Hitler was given power ?



But your argument seems to be an ideological preference as if their arent both Liberal and conservative bias in public schools ?

Are you saying there arent conservative school districts ?

For the most part they did not exist before the statist of the early 20th century came to power.

For the most part, no their is not, Because we understand that education is just that education, not indoctrination.


And the market can do a better job to deliver a better product, at a higher quality at a reduced price.

[mohawkx]

Originally Posted by Liberty Above All Else

And it shows, after 40 years America looks like what happens when you reduce education and everything else around the lowest common denominator...

All students are not taught to the lowest common denominator. Those who ride the short bus go to special classes just for them. Charter schools would refuse to teach to them at all.

[lvoc]

It is reasonably clear that public schools in zones with high socioeconomic levels do very well. It is also clear that public schools with low socioeconomic levels do very badly.

Charters seem pretty much to follow the same pattern with a very few exceptions at the lower end.

So if we extend charters in the higher areas we end up with basically private schools for the well off funded by the public. If we extend charters in the lower areas we end up with more low performing schools though they may well be able to dump their worst problems back to the remaining public schools turning them into true hell holes.

At this point I see no reason why this makes any sense. We need to fix the bottom 25% of schools very badly...but it will cost money.

I would certainly support some experiments on a large scale to try and find something that actually works. Note though with a very few exceptions no one ever sets these things up so you can tell anything about the reality. And i would support including some charters in this effort. Though again controlled so the charters don't simply pick off the good students.