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Old 10-03-2014, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Gone
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First prove in a court of law that they are crazies. Otherwise you are violating their constitutionally protected right to due process. Good grief.
If a persons family and friends reported them to law enforcement they can be picked up and undergo a phyc elval and if found to be no danger they are set free and get to keep their guns, if not they are given the help they need and once resolved they get their gun rights back. That is all within the due process method.

 
Old 10-03-2014, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Do you ever make sense, or is it all Cons verses Libs with you? I am beginning to think not, Glitch.
Actually, it is always pro-Americans versus the anti-Americans with me. The more you advocate anti-life, anti-liberty, and anti-pursuit of happiness, (like all fascist Democrats do) the more I will advocate precisely the opposite.
 
Old 10-03-2014, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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If a persons family and friends reported them to law enforcement they can be picked up and undergo a phyc elval and if found to be no danger they are set free and get to keep their guns, if not they are given the help they need and once resolved they get their gun rights back. That is all within the due process method.
But that is not how the law was written. Nice try at yet more deliberate deception, but I have actually read the law. California's law enforcement confiscates the firearm(s) before there is an evaluation or any proof whatsoever, merely the accusation of some pissed off family member with a grudge and/or an agenda is sufficient under the law. That is a deliberate violation of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
 
Old 10-03-2014, 06:42 AM
 
Location: DC
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Sorry, but that is not how it is done in the US. In the US you are innocent until proven guilty. First the State, or the individual, making the accusation must prove their case in a court of law.

I do not find it surprising that you are unable to grasp the concept of "innocent until proven guilty," or due process, and eagerly seek to violate the constitutionally protected rights of citizens. It is par for the course with all fascist liberal freaks.
In the US you can be detained in jail prior to trial. Picking up someone's guns pending a hearing on their competence to own those weapons is certainly less severe than placing the person in jail. EPIC FAIL.
 
Old 10-03-2014, 06:54 AM
 
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Seems reasonable as a lot of these people seem to go through the cracks, some issues with the disgruntled relative but still a step in the right direction.


https://news.yahoo.com/gov-jerry-bro...195626557.html
Iam NOT surprised byb anything Jerry Moonbeam does.
 
Old 10-03-2014, 07:48 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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If you are against a law that separates crazies from guns then you are saying exactly that. Good grief
I do to have a problem with guns being taken away from crazy people if they have been determined to be a danger to themselves or others in a court of law. (Due process, which this law flushes down the toilet)
 
Old 10-03-2014, 07:51 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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When you start arguing for gun and car confiscation it's not worth discussing.

So why didn't the 5150 that works so well not work in this particular case, still waiting for an answer.

Go without a gun for 14 days, what an absolute horror.
What other civil liberties should we take away without due process?

The person this law was based about killed more people with knives and a car than with a gun, wonder why those two things were not included in the law?

I really wish the standard for stripped people of civil liberties was more than common sense. Never once will you see a gun grabber have statistical information that a gun law leads to a marked reduction crime. They just use the same buzz words over and over again until the ultimate goal is completed, the confiscation of arms from civilians.
 
Old 10-03-2014, 07:55 AM
 
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In the US you can be detained in jail prior to trial. Picking up someone's guns pending a hearing on their competence to own those weapons is certainly less severe than placing the person in jail. EPIC FAIL.
You have to be charged with a crime to be put in jail and then you can bail out in less than a few hours. This law takes away your civil liberty for one to two months based on the statements of someone, no proof required and you end up paying thousands of dollars in attorney fees.
 
Old 10-03-2014, 08:00 AM
 
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Actually, it is always pro-Americans versus the anti-Americans with me. The more you advocate anti-life, anti-liberty, and anti-pursuit of happiness, (like all fascist Democrats do) the more I will advocate precisely the opposite.
So anything I say you will say the opposite, too bad I am not a Democrat or Fascist, great well thought and in-depth plan ya got there, Clitch.
 
Old 10-03-2014, 08:01 AM
 
Location: DC
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You have to be charged with a crime to be put in jail and then you can bail out in less than a few hours. This law takes away your civil liberty for one to two months based on the statements of someone, no proof required and you end up paying thousands of dollars in attorney fees.
It takes away no civil liberties. It's a reasonable response to a potential threat. About 1/2 of murders are of family members or close acquaintance. If it's bogus the court will release the guns.
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