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Charlie Brooker says it all! Doug Stanhope throws it back in our British faces, but he's got a good point too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TABgNerEro8
What do you Americans think of gun control? Do you see the irony in the idea of putting more guns in schools as a protection from being shot at? LOL
I don't give a crap what you people think of our gun laws. Your so called democracy took a woman to court because she made racially insensitive remarks, while tasteless remarks deserve criticism; they don't warrant fines or jail time in a democracy. Free speech is the essential part of a democracy and your government has proven that it is anything but a democracy.
I don't think you're getting the fundamental right aspect. If it's a fundamental right, there can be no tests, you're not tested to retain your right to life, you're not tested to reproduce, you're not tested before you buy any item or property. Even in the UK there is no requirement to pass a drivers test, or have insurance to own a car, you just need them to drive on the road, I owned trials bikes from age 9 and rode them in trials competitions, I was racing 250cc 2 strokes by 14, and driving around at friends places in Land Rovers and so on but could not drive on the UK roads, until I was 17 + 1 Day old (when I passed my driving test)
If we are going to use that reasoning though, then you'd simply need to say you don't need to test for owning the guns, you'd need a test to be able to fire them.
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Originally Posted by Gungnir
Since 70% of all firearm homicides in the US are by handguns, and there have only been 3 unlawful homicides in the US from legally owned automatic firearms since 1986 (all three were by law enforcement BTW), why is access to a real AK-47, or subgun asking for trouble? Your opening paragraph states
Not a fan of handguns other than I fully appreciate their design and mechanics; but until the laws are changed, it's your right to own them ......end of story.
I don't believe all this discussion about it being a constitutional right means a whole lot as it has been proven over and over again, any of your constitutionally entrenched rights get changed or completely abrogated through the machinations of a prejudiced SCOTUS.
Not too long ago you had the right to probable cause and a warrant being necessary before a search, the right of habeas-corpus, the right of a trial in a timely fashion, the right of bail application and hearing, the right of confronting your accuser, the right of free movement without constraint unless probable cause was present to justify detention.
All those and a few more have gone the way of the dodo with approval of legislation rushed into practice due to fear mongering. I suspect laws governing firearm ownership will eventually parallel that course as well.
Not a fan of handguns other than I fully appreciate their design and mechanics; but until the laws are changed, it's your right to own them ......end of story.
I don't believe all this discussion about it being a constitutional right means a whole lot as it has been proven over and over again, any of your constitutionally entrenched rights get changed or completely abrogated through the machinations of a prejudiced SCOTUS.
Not too long ago you had the right to probable cause and a warrant being necessary before a search, the right of habeas-corpus, the right of a trial in a timely fashion, the right of bail application and hearing, the right of confronting your accuser, the right of free movement without constraint unless probable cause was present to justify detention.
All those and a few more have gone the way of the dodo with approval of legislation rushed into practice due to fear mongering. I suspect laws governing firearm ownership will eventually parallel that course as well.
The difference between the rights listed that have been abridged and usurping the Constitution regarding firearm ownership...many people in this country will not comply without government intervention. A very different situation.
NRA: "Are the President's kids more important than yours"
Brit: "uh...yeah."
Uh, no. Not in America. This is probably a basic difference between Britain and America, and some Brits have trouble grasping the idea of a classless society. I will have to track down the quote, but one of my US History surveys recounts a story from the early 19th century where a British visitor to the US encounters a US farmer, and asks (paraphrase) "Who is your lord?" Meaning not in the religious sense, but in the civic sense. The reply came, (paraphrase), "Sir, that man has not yet been made."
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Wayne LaPierre: "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
Brit: "So what you're saying is that when the bad guy turns the gun on himself, he becomes a good guy, and dies a hero."
No, that's not at all what he said, but debate is so much easier when you can stuff words into your opponents mouth, especially if the opponent is not present to call you on it. Typically suicides after mass shootings are done only do avoid capture and life behind bars, WHEN A GOOD GUY WITH A GUN SHOWS UP. Exactly as LaPierre says. This Brit is a moron.
If you truly believe a "minority" of Americans own guns, you must live in a very blue area. I live in California and even here many people own multiple guns.
most Americans do not actually. The Brits have lost one of the basic rights.
It is worth mentioning though, that many of us Brits don't see a gun as a fundamental right. Some might argue that a gun is a license to murder anyone you want!
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Originally Posted by Gungnir
I don't think you're getting the fundamental right aspect. If it's a fundamental right, there can be no tests, you're not tested to retain your right to life, you're not tested to reproduce, you're not tested before you buy any item or property. Even in the UK there is no requirement to pass a drivers test, or have insurance to own a car, you just need them to drive on the road, I owned trials bikes from age 9 and rode them in trials competitions, I was racing 250cc 2 strokes by 14, and driving around at friends places in Land Rovers and so on but could not drive on the UK roads, until I was 17 + 1 Day old (when I passed my driving test)
Well, I believe people should at least be tested for their mental status. Before they start going around killing people in a School. Not in that, as someone else said, perhaps a handgun could be the legal right to own (like a car), but to actually shoot a handgun - then you will need a test (like driving a car on the road)... Anyway I'm more thinking about this being a law in the UK. The Americans can do whatever they want, obviously!
I don't give a crap what you people think of our gun laws. Your so called democracy took a woman to court because she made racially insensitive remarks, while tasteless remarks deserve criticism; they don't warrant fines or jail time in a democracy. Free speech is the essential part of a democracy and your government has proven that it is anything but a democracy.
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LOL
Anyway I'm more thinking about this being a law in the UK. The Americans can do whatever they want, obviously!