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Old 10-13-2014, 11:13 AM
 
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Hillary Clinton's and Barack Obama's training as disciples of Saul Alinsky. Hardball tactics right out of Rules for Radicals. Obama's four-year stint as a political organizer and agitator in Chicago's South Side neighborhoods gave him a hands-on education in Alinsky revolutionary

Saul Alinksy worked as a sociologist with the Institute for Juvenile Research in Chicago.
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Old 10-13-2014, 11:20 AM
 
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Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright quoted as saying "God Damn America" and former pastor of President Obama is a Marxist and is the former pastor of the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago.

Bill Ayers former leader of the terrorist Weather Underground and an associate of President Barack Obama. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-described communist revolutionary group. Ayers grew up in in Chicago, Illinois.
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Old 10-13-2014, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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With DNA yes. With the policies of the country not so much.
Gosh, you're right. The best example of a policy not affecting the country is Obamacare, right? I mean, it's just a single law, and it wouldn't have been passed if Obama hadn't been elected, so there's a great example of an individual politician's policies not affecting the country much.

Right?
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Old 10-13-2014, 11:31 AM
 
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Gosh, you're right. The best example of a policy not affecting the country is Obamacare, right? I mean, it's just a single law, and it wouldn't have been passed if Obama hadn't been elected, so there's a great example of an individual politician's policies not affecting the country much.

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Romney enacted Romneycare. It's nothing but politics to argue. Obamacare....booooooo. Romneycare....Hooray.
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Old 10-13-2014, 11:33 AM
 
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Gosh, you're right. The best example of a policy not affecting the country is Obamacare, right? I mean, it's just a single law, and it wouldn't have been passed if Obama hadn't been elected, so there's a great example of an individual politician's policies not affecting the country much.

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For the WORSE.
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Old 10-13-2014, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Romney enacted Romneycare. It's nothing but politics to argue. Obamacare....booooooo. Romneycare....Hooray.
What on earth does what Romney did in a single state have to do with the discussion?

Answer: NOTHING. It also has nothing whatsoever to do with what I wrote. I commented on the fact that a candidate or politician's policies actually do matter.

And BTW, don't put words in my mouth. I know very little about the law in Massachusetts, and I don't care about it. I wasn't a resident of that state then, I'm not now, and in all likelihood, I never will be. The law in that state is irrelevant to me, and I certainly would never cheer it. In fact, based on the little that I do know about it, I probably would have fought it just as I fought against Obamacare. I don't care about politicians - I care about policy, and any policy that requires someone to purchase something they may not want or need is bad policy, plain and simple.
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Old 10-13-2014, 01:17 PM
 
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What on earth does what Romney did in a single state have to do with the discussion?
I stated what it had to do with it.

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Answer: NOTHING. It also has nothing whatsoever to do with what I wrote. I commented on the fact that a candidate or politician's policies actually do matter.

And BTW, don't put words in my mouth. I know very little about the law in Massachusetts, and I don't care about it. I wasn't a resident of that state then, I'm not now, and in all likelihood, I never will be. The law in that state is irrelevant to me, and I certainly would never cheer it. In fact, based on the little that I do know about it, I probably would have fought it just as I fought against Obamacare. I don't care about politicians - I care about policy, and any policy that requires someone to purchase something they may not want or need is bad policy, plain and simple.
So it seems you, upon contemplation would agree that their actions are very similar. That's my position.
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Old 10-13-2014, 05:49 PM
 
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She would have known how to work with both parties much like Bill had to do.
As self centered as she might be there's no comparison to the unskilled narcissist now in office.

Obama has done a great job in making Bill Clinton look like a great President (even to many conservatives)
W made Clinton look good...
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Old 10-13-2014, 05:54 PM
 
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The country would have had a manager instead of a perpetual campaigner. People voted for nothing more than a great aurator with an ideology, and now even Jimmy Carter is calling Obama out.

I mean, think about that for a second. Arguably the worst President in the last 100 years is calling Obama out!!! Holy cow, how bad does one have to be for that?
Everyone calls out a President late in his second term... its how politics work.
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Old 10-13-2014, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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She would have known how to work with both parties much like Bill had to do.
As self centered as she might be there's no comparison to the unskilled narcissist now in office.

Obama has done a great job in making Bill Clinton look like a great President (even to many conservatives)

Bill gave us NAFTA, the 2000 China Trade Act, the repeal of Glass-Steigal and unregulated derivatives.

We don't need to repeat the mistakes of the past.
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