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Old 10-29-2014, 11:29 AM
 
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What is your source for that? These are some factors Dr. Buetler is saying are not 100% known, and I agree with him. I gave some examples upthread (probably all ignored by the CDC apologists) of things I have had to unlearn in my nursing career.
There have been several papers on the topic. I'll see if I can find them.

Dr Buetler, IMO, is coming to his conclusions from a pure-science perspective, not an applied science perspective. And medicine is very much an applied science field. When it comes to pure science, virtually nothing is 100% known. But in terms of applied science, or medicine, in terms of Ebola, this virus has been studied for several decades, there have been numerous outbreaks, and this outbreak, the largest outbreak, has not diverged from what we did know about how the virus is transmitted.

Dr Buetler's pure science viewpoint, for instance, would say it's possible for the virus to mutate to become airborne. You would have to dig deeper with him to realize that such a mutation has never happened, and would be a fundamental mutation, meaning that the virus would no longer be Ebola. Because how we identify a virus is in part how it attaches to its hosts, what cells it attacks. If Ebola became airborne, it would have to attack entirely different cells, in an entirely different way. So it would no longer be Ebola. And no virus has ever done that that we know of. Dr Buetler's pure science perspective does not deal with likelihoods, or probabilities. Pure science is more black and white, possible or not possible. And in pure science, almost everything is possible.

I appreciate that you are airing very real concerns, and I appreciate your outrage over blaming Pham and Vinson for getting ill. But I don't blame them in any way, and really, while the CDC's remarks may have sounded like blame, I think the CDC was well aware that the CDC was the point guard for our defense, and that their focus was so narrow, that they forgot that hospitals, even top-tier hospitals, have a much broader focus. The CDC wasn't wrong on its facts about Ebola. They were wrong in their expectations about how prepared American hospitals were to deal with Ebola.
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:34 AM
 
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Here's one article where it talks about viral load's relationship to the severity of the infection.

Why U.S. Ebola patients seem to be recovering faster - KYTX CBS19.tv - News, Weather, & Sports | Tyler-Longview
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:42 AM
 
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The unknown unknowns.....

Muahahahahahahaha.
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Old 10-29-2014, 12:11 PM
 
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Exclamation Breaking: Ebola Nurse, Kaci Hickox, worked for the CDC

...and her Linkedin account has been scrubbed.
[MOD CUT/copyright violation]


Released Ebola Nurse Worked For CDC | The Daily Caller
Here’s an overlooked factor that could have contributed to her White House-backed release: Hickox is an official CDC Epidemic Intelligence Service (EIS) officer who performed work for the CDC in recent months.

Hickox was listed as an “EIS officer” for the CDC in program materials for a CDC course she taught in July 2014. Hickox taught an April 29 session called “Contact Investigation of Health Care Personnel Exposed to Maternal and Neonatal Tuberculosis—Clark County, Nevada, 2013″ at the conference (p. 3).

She co-wrote an anti-pharmaceutical industry op-ed for the Baltimore Sun and advocated against policies that would have developed life-saving drugs.


CDC and Media Agenda Revealed? Nurse That Complained About Ebola Quarantine Employed by CDC
America doesn’t seem to have any definitive and workable plan of action. We have a CDC director who is actually expecting us to believe that banning flights will cause more Americans to get Ebola and a President who refuses to take that simple common sense action.

In the eyes of many there is an agenda in play. As completely unfathomable as it might seem to some, many believe that Ebola is being spread intentionally within our borders.

"The CDC opposes quarantines or travel bans from Ebola infected countries."

Her lawyer is a frequent White House visitor and dinner guest.

Hope and change.

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Old 10-29-2014, 12:11 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Dr Buetler, IMO, is coming to his conclusions from a pure-science perspective, not an applied science perspective.
Another hair being split.

Meanwhile, 80% of Americans favor a quarantine:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/do-ameri...al-with-ebola/

When do you see 80% of Americans agree on anything?
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Old 10-29-2014, 12:14 PM
 
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Another hair being split.

Meanwhile, 80% of Americans favor a quarantine:

Do Americans believe there should be a quarantine to deal with Ebola? - CBS News

When do you see 80% of Americans agree on anything?
When they are massively misinformed.
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Old 10-29-2014, 12:17 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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When they are massively misinformed.
"Massively" misinformed like Dr Buetler? Like Australia? Like the US military?
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Old 10-29-2014, 12:17 PM
 
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So are you saying that her having the Ebola was a sham ?

That she didn't have it but said she had it and so the Obola Administration could used her as a puppet to show the public that people infected with ebola are okay to be around.

But things went wrong when the governors said they would quarantine her and others coming from an Ebola zone.
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Old 10-29-2014, 12:21 PM
 
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Another hair being split.

Meanwhile, 80% of Americans favor a quarantine:

Do Americans believe there should be a quarantine to deal with Ebola? - CBS News

When do you see 80% of Americans agree on anything?

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
― Mark Twain
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Old 10-29-2014, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Amongst the AZ Cactus
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“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
― Mark Twain
ahhh, kind of like our federal gov experts who appear unanimous that their is no need to issue a quarantine for all states for health care workers working/who have worked on ebola patients?
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