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Old 11-11-2014, 02:01 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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The GOP in their ongoing war on the environment and to make us more like developing countries will soon start their assault on environmetal regulations. Republican voters will soon get their wish for a new conservative agenda as laws regulating clean air and water will come under assault, which includes the dumping of toxins into the air, rivers and streams. You would think the so-called pro-life party would want to protect children and adults from cancer and abortion inducing toxins being dumped into the environment and the public domain, but go figure, they ostensibly have different priorities. Big donors need to be repaid.

Do you support the gutting of environmental laws or against?


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Senate GOP steeling for battle against EPA | TheHill
I think you liberals should give it a break and let the big boys run the country and get her back in track. We've seen what happens when kids are in charge. Contrary to the liberal lefts propaganda machine the world will not come to an end if we build a pipeline nor are we all going to go up in flames due to the dream world of global warming.. Your getting legal weed so go smoke it.. That can be your Signature legislation for this last and final rule for a very very long time.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:49 AM
 
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The GOP in their ongoing war on the environment and to make us more like developing countries will soon start their assault on environmetal regulations. Republican voters will soon get their wish for a new conservative agenda as laws regulating clean air and water will come under assault, which includes the dumping of toxins into the air, rivers and streams. You would think the so-called pro-life party would want to protect children and adults from cancer and abortion inducing toxins being dumped into the environment and the public domain, but go figure, they ostensibly have different priorities. Big donors need to be repaid.

Do you support the gutting of environmental laws or against?


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Senate GOP steeling for battle against EPA | TheHill
Congress makes laws, not government agencies. Using agencies and "regulations" with criminal penalties is a method fascist have used to bypass Congress to make laws at the executive branch that they couldn't get through the legislative branch. EPA regulations/laws prevent development of new jobs & industry by making it too costly and time consuming to ever develop projects or expand the business. They do this under the guise of environmental protection when they're actually anti-capitalist.
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Old 11-11-2014, 04:56 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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The GOP in their ongoing war on the environment and to make us more like developing countries will soon start their assault on environmetal regulations. Republican voters will soon get their wish for a new conservative agenda as laws regulating clean air and water will come under assault, which includes the dumping of toxins into the air, rivers and streams. You would think the so-called pro-life party would want to protect children and adults from cancer and abortion inducing toxins being dumped into the environment and the public domain, but go figure, they ostensibly have different priorities. Big donors need to be repaid.

Do you support the gutting of environmental laws or against?


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Senate GOP steeling for battle against EPA | TheHill
What do we need an Environment for anyway?
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Old 11-11-2014, 05:43 AM
 
Location: NJ
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The GOP in their ongoing war on the environment and to make us more like developing countries will soon start their assault on environmetal regulations. Republican voters will soon get their wish for a new conservative agenda as laws regulating clean air and water will come under assault, which includes the dumping of toxins into the air, rivers and streams. You would think the so-called pro-life party would want to protect children and adults from cancer and abortion inducing toxins being dumped into the environment and the public domain, but go figure, they ostensibly have different priorities. Big donors need to be repaid.

Do you support the gutting of environmental laws or against?


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Senate GOP steeling for battle against EPA | TheHill
Political propaganda at best with regard to repubs directed at the adled of mind.

So the choices are being for or against the 'environment'?

If you are 'for the environment', a strategic nebulous term that avoids details, and don't agree with the over zealous EPA, it means you are against the environment?

What does 'guttting of the environment' mean. It conjures images of the Visigoths sweeping the plains and giving no quarter to the vanquished, killing everyine in sight.

The EPA has gone rogue and needs to be severely curtailed and redirected. The EPA has been indispensible up to the point where it has gone militant and prosecuted people over fish ponds. they create laws that require equipment that has not yet been created. If they can't win a case legally they destroy a persons life saving and then walk away like they did in the Sourland mountains in Nj over a guy putting down gravel on his woodsy driveway. 10 years of litigation broke the homeowner and the EPA drops their prosecution or rather persecution.

EPA is out of control and is trying to 'gut the economy" in accordance with Obama's strategy to supress the economy to create an atmosphere conducive to the growth of a socialist political and social agenda.

Nixon, a republican concieved of and initiated the EPA.
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Old 11-11-2014, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Businesses are doing quite well, workers not so well but blaming the EPA for our economic woes is bit melodramatic. Most people will choose clean water and air even at a slightly increased cost.
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Old 11-11-2014, 06:21 AM
 
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What else would you call it?
We have another thread here praising Obama for the natuarl gas (aka fracking) boom.

Considering that Obama continued most of Bush & Cheney's policies, perhaps the Republicans are just going to continue the Obama fracking boom?
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Old 11-11-2014, 06:32 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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We have another thread here praising Obama for the natuarl gas (aka fracking) boom.

Considering that Obama continued most of Bush & Cheney's policies, perhaps the Republicans are just going to continue the Obama fracking boom?

We won't know if he continued Bushs directives to the Department of Energy, for another year.

Permits issued 6 years ago, are just now drilling and coming on-line today, after all the testing, rules, regulations, hoops and hurdles that must be completed.

We have not drilled in the Gulf, since Obama shut it all down.
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Old 11-11-2014, 06:51 AM
 
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Now this is a attitude I agree with completely. basing environmental regulations on what they do and on real data is extremely logical.
The numbers I cited for the new mercury rules were published well before they were implemented. The cost benefit analysis from the EPA justifies the mercury reductions by citing co-benefits through PM reductions. The actual benefits from mercury reductions are almost nil.

The data they use on PM is questionable as is the methodology.....
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Old 11-11-2014, 06:51 AM
 
Location: MS
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Environmental regulation on the state level is ineffective in many states, look at North Carolina and North Dakota. If it comes to a choice between money and the quality of life they choose profits.
So if a state level EPA department is corrupt then it ruins the environment of the state. What if the federal EPA goes rogue? That ruins the entire country. I'd rather have 48 out of 50 states with good environments.
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Old 11-11-2014, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Big donors need to be repaid.
Big donors are repaid. The lawyers that businesses have to hire to wade through the paperwork and defend them in court make a fortune off businesses that are heavily regulated and heavily taxed
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