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View Poll Results: Should "Under God" be removed from the Pledge of Allegiance?
Yes, remove it 51 49.51%
No, keep it 52 50.49%
Voters: 103. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-19-2014, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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A country with freedom of religion probably shouldn't have religious icons within it's pledge. I get that it's not a 'specific' God, but I think it's fair to say it excludes more religions that don't fall in the Abraham category. Sure, collectively they are the majority, but America is not about the collective, is it (will the right agree with that pro-individualism stance or the religious part; it's a mystery).

But, at the same time, I don't consider this a pressing issue. As a non-believer in both gods and pointless nationalism, the whole concept of the pledge is pointless to me. Why pledge to a piece of cloth? How does that make me more or less American? I live here and I vote. Is that not enough? I also don't consider this to be an issue that needs much attention. If a petition came my way, I'd happily sign it, but I wouldn't go out of my way to remove a fairy tale from a chant about how loyal I am to a flag.
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Old 11-19-2014, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Montréal & New York area
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I think the Pledge is BS to begin with.
This is how I feel. I substitute teach sometimes and I find it annoying having to stand up facing the flag
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Old 11-19-2014, 09:17 PM
 
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A stupid minority trying to make the majority change because they are whiners.
A dull-minded majority refusing to use reason as long as they feel safe in their crowd.
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Old 11-19-2014, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Humboldt County, CA
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Minority groups always outraged over some perceived thing.
Golly, why do you think that is?
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Old 11-19-2014, 09:23 PM
 
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To an Atheist, GOD is they themselves and the world revolves around them.
They can always pledge allegiance to themselves, as GOD.
This bizarre insistence that atheists must have a god-shaped hole somewhere inside that needs filling always struck me as a colossal projection. What is less self-centered: The idea that the universe is essentially random and that we're lucky to be the mud that got to stand up and walk around, or the idea that we're especially designated beings, picked out for special attention by the creator of All?
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Old 11-19-2014, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Montréal & New York area
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A dull-minded majority refusing to use reason as long as they feel safe in their crowd.
You realize that you come from a country where Christianity is the official religion and the only religion favored by the government, despite large number of seculars
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Old 11-19-2014, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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To an Atheist, GOD is they themselves and the world revolves around them.
They can always pledge allegiance to themselves, as GOD.
What a bizarre statement.

It's christian/jewish/muslim people who tend to think they are the point of the universe. Because genesis implies that very idea.

Atheists tend to think humans are the lucky results of a very rare chain of events.
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Old 11-19-2014, 11:57 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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I agree. Part of me thinks "who cares" I always just didn't say that part of lipped it. But the point is you shouldn't have to and it should have never been put in there to begin with.
I remember when it was put in there. I didn't like having to relearn it!

I don't understand people who think the pledge was written in stone or is somehow part of holy writ.
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Old 11-20-2014, 03:11 AM
 
Location: Humboldt County, CA
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I remember when it was put in there. I didn't like having to relearn it!

I don't understand people who think the pledge was written in stone or is somehow part of holy writ.
I know some people who think it should end/do end it with an "Amen!"

That's wrong in so many ways.
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Old 11-20-2014, 03:30 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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I'm atheist, but I find pledging allegiance to the state more objectionable than the mention of an imaginary being--although of course the latter should not be endorsed by public entities either.

If I were Christian I'd be horrified at the blasphemous idea of identifying God with some form of political organization.
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