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First of all we must understand the pledge.
1. This was created for congress to SAY for themselves and for flag day from 1892 to 1942, 1945
2. In 1954 under god was added.
3. Some how this made it way into schools.
Now Even if you were FORCED to say the original one without under god phase this was to promote patriotism.
The pledge does not need to be in schools PERIOD to have GOOD citizens and Americans.
Teach history, the constitution and get the Department of Education out of schools all together.
How about the fact that one keeping their mouth shut is out of respect and dignity for those who do have faith? Nobody is forcing you to say it, nobody is forcing you to believe, so why not leave it the hell alone?! It was fine for all of these years, and now all of a sudden it isn't? Because of some butt hurt militant atheists?
If "be quiet, go with the group, don't make waves, leave things alone, don't question authority" is the sort of lessons you want to impart, sure. But that means you have long ago abandoned all standing to accuse anyone else of "groupthink" or "mob mentality".
I know damn well the pledge is not part of the constitution.
Someone (was it you?) posted George Washington's Thanksgiving proclamation, and bolded all the references he made to god. Why? It seemed to be a rebuttal to something; maybe someone saying that church and state are supposed to be separate.
The Washington proclamation post seemed to imply that if the Father of Our Country invoked the name of god that we all should.
I can think of no other reason someone would post Washington's Thanksgiving proclamation with all the references to god bolded. Maybe someone had a brain fart?
"I can think of no other reason" As someone said, " You can't reason with unreasonable people"
Im an atheist. Leaving the room or not saying it is noticed, there a lot of pressure and occasional violence if you do not say it.
Kids suck.
You mean peer pressure?
works well for gangs and social justice and is what is missing from communities trying to keep the peace.
Though if anyone but the social justice crowd uses it ti becomes bullying.
It would be frightening toi think oung kids would grow to be under the impression that our rights came from the government. That would not be very stabilizing for society, politics or engendering self respect.
It would be frightening toi think oung kids would grow to be under the impression that our rights came from the government. That would not be very stabilizing for society, politics or engendering self respect.
I have to say I don't think it is an improvement to think that my rights derive from an imaginary being, or from any individual or group that claims to speak for this imaginary being.
Seems to me that my individual rights do not depend on whether or not I am religious. I have them because I was born into a society that agrees that each of us has rights by virtue of being human, and that any government we invent is duty-bound to observe those rights. In other words, I don't have rights because a particular government or religion says I do - I have them because I was born. As do you.
It makes sense to use the original unadulterated version of the pledge. I don't think a lawsuit is necessary here, but they should do the right thing and return the pledge to it's original version.
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