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View Poll Results: Should "Under God" be removed from the Pledge of Allegiance?
Yes, remove it 51 49.51%
No, keep it 52 50.49%
Voters: 103. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-09-2014, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Montréal & New York area
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It makes sense to use the original unadulterated version of the pledge. I don't think a lawsuit is necessary here, but they should do the right thing and return the pledge to it's original version.
God is the protector and very important. We don't want to be an atheist/communist country
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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God is the protector and very important. We don't want to be an atheist/communist country
Speak for yourself! BTW, the overwhelming majority of american atheists are *not* communists.
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:17 PM
 
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God is the protector and very important. We don't want to be an atheist/communist country
Nunnor.

It's important to acknowledge that are a secular nation. The nation does not see God. That is left up to the individual. By having added these ridiculous words to the pledge implies that America is a religious nation acting under the Vishnu or Thor, or whatever. We know that isn't what kind of nation we are. So it's best to reflect that in our pledge.

We don't want to feed our children lies about our nation. Children are vulnerable and might think there is some truth to "under god". You don't want that horribleness.

It's best to fix the pledge and return it to its original form. A better nation we will be.

Btw, communism has nothing to do with God or lack of.
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Montréal & New York area
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Nunnor.

It's important to acknowledge that are a secular nation. The nation does not see God. That is left up to the individual. By having added these ridiculous words to the pledge implies that America is a religious nation acting under the Vishnu or Thor, or whatever. We know that isn't what kind of nation we are. So it's best to reflect that in our pledge.

We don't want to feed our children lies about our nation. Children are vulnerable and might think there is some truth to "under god". You don't want that horribleness.

It's best to fix the pledge and return it to its original form. A better nation we will be.

Btw, communism has nothing to do with God or lack of.
It may be important for you to be "secular" but many of us like a Christian religious country. Nothing wrong with having the majority religion promoted and favored by the government. You could still provide all the freedoms.

Actually our children should know that there is one true God. God/Jesus is loving and peaceful. By banning and removing religion total = atheism. Atheism should be discouraged.
Historically communism had to do with atheism.
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:40 PM
 
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It may be important for you to be "secular" but many of us like a Christian religious country. Nothing wrong with having the majority religion promoted and favored by the government. You could still provide all the freedoms.

Actually our children should know that there is one true God. God/Jesus is loving and peaceful. By banning and removing religion total = atheism. Atheism should be discouraged.
Historically communism had to do with atheism.
It's not just important to me. It's important to our founding fathers and it's important to millions of Americans living in this nation who aren't anti-American like you.

That's what's great about this nation. Even though this nation's government is completely secular and we don't want to change that, we allow religious people from all backgrounds to share and be a part of this nation.

The issue with having a religion promoted by the government is that it can be unfair to those who are not that particular religion. But that's really a small issue. The big issue is that it could stifle this nation from changing. Right now, the population control what the majority religion is. But there's nothing stopping the population from becoming less religious. There was a good article in the religious section of this forum that demonstrated that younger people are not interested in God as much... and that we're slowly moving towards a less religious nation. We wouldn't want to stifle the opportunity of this kind of change. Who knows. The majority religion here could one day be Judaism, Hinduism or Buddhism. It's great that the population can change like that. The government would only get in the way if it started promoting a religion.

I don't understand why you feel so strongly. You've already expressed in other threads by your actions that you aren't Christian. For example, in this thread where you want to lie on your resume about what degree you have attained. It's totally anti-Christian to misrepresent yourself knowingly. You aren't being true to yourself or God and thus you aren't Christian.

//www.city-data.com/forum/colle...ur-resume.html

Children should figure out what's important to them. The current trend is that they are learning that God is made up to give answers to those who lack the intelligence or education to find it themselves. There's nothing wrong with that.

There is no relationship between communism and atheism. Where did you learn that? Community College?

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Old 12-10-2014, 10:32 AM
 
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It may be important for you to be "secular" but many of us like a Christian religious country. Nothing wrong with having the majority religion promoted and favored by the government. You could still provide all the freedoms.

Actually our children should know that there is one true God. God/Jesus is loving and peaceful. By banning and removing religion total = atheism. Atheism should be discouraged.
Historically communism had to do with atheism.
Thankfully you are part of a rapidly shrinking demographic. Your claim here to be concerned with "freedoms" but your past posts indicate that you are against most freedoms. You seem to want the government to dictate how we live our lives and run our businesses. Before you lecture people about "freedoms" you should probably learn the meaning of the word first.
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Old 12-10-2014, 10:43 AM
 
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What do they swear on in court?
What do they swear on for public office?
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Old 12-10-2014, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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God is the protector and very important. We don't want to be an atheist/communist country
God is the protector? How so?
Does he keep the US safe from natural disasters, terrible droughts and terrorist attacks?
Please elaborate.
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Old 12-10-2014, 11:01 AM
 
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What do they swear on in court?
Why, whatever they want, including nothing at all. Hollywood isn't real. (In practice, most witnesses are sworn in before they enter the courtroom.)
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What do they swear on for public office?
Interesting question.

Congresspeople don't use anything - they're sworn in as a group, with the Speaker leading. The photo ops afterwards are mere re-enactments for the press.

As for Presidents, Lyndon B.Johnson used a Catholic missal. Hoover merely affirmed. John Quincy Adams used a volume of law.

It may be wise to not just assume.
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Old 12-10-2014, 02:41 PM
 
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It's not just important to me. It's important to our founding fathers and it's important to millions of Americans living in this nation who aren't anti-American like you.
Actually atheists aren't true Americans, as our national motto is In God We Trust.

George H.W. Bush said: "I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God".

I don't care about our "founding father's" because they are all dead, and what they believed back then is irrelevant today. Many of them acknowledged Jesus/God in the Constitution anyway, such as 'In the year of our Lord'. They just did not want an official state church like in England.
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