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New Jersey family has sued their school district over saying "Under God" on Pledge of Allegiance. Judge will decide whether it's Constitutional or not; a phrase that was added in 1954 when "In God We Trust" was declared the official motto of the USA. N.J. Constitution does mention "Almighty God" as well.
MA ruled it Constitutional earlier and believes it is not discriminating against atheists.
New Jersey family has sued their school district over saying "Under God" on Pledge of Allegiance. Judge will decide whether it's Constitutional or not; a phrase that was added in 1954 when "In God We Trust" was declared the official motto of the USA. N.J. Constitution does mention "Almighty God" as well.
MA ruled it Constitutional earlier and believes it is not discriminating against atheists.
IT doesn't mention any one particular God. I'm not a complete Atheist, so I don't understand the complaint from their end.
This was added much later after our founding. Many state constitutions mention God in them, however the Federal Constitution does not, this was on purpose.
Perhaps it should be removed from the federal pledge. You don't have to say it, as I remember, you have the option of abstaining or leaving the room if you feel persecuted.
IT doesn't mention any one particular God. I'm not a complete Atheist, so I don't understand the complaint from their end.
This was added much later after our founding. Many state constitutions mention God in them, however the Federal Constitution does not, this was on purpose.
Perhaps it should be removed from the federal pledge. You don't have to say it, as I remember, you have the option of abstaining or leaving the room if you feel persecuted.
Im an atheist. Leaving the room or not saying it is noticed, there a lot of pressure and occasional violence if you do not say it.
Im an atheist. Leaving the room or not saying it is noticed, there a lot of pressure and occasional violence if you do not say it.
Kids suck.
However, we don't make special rules for kids making fun of, or picking on your child. Thats free speech even as a child. Giving you the option not to testify "so help me God" or leave the room is constitutional enough, in my mind.
Like I said, I'm on the fence on this one. I see both sides of the argument as equal, and will let the courts decide.
I sometimes think some go a little too far in trying to get "God" removed from everything, but considering the fact "Under God" wasn't in the initial pledge and the circumstances surroudning it being added to it in the first place, it should be removed.
However, we don't make special rules for kids making fun of, or picking on your child. Thats free speech even as a child. Giving you the option not to testify "so help me God" or leave the room is constitutional enough, in my mind.
Like I said, I'm on the fence on this one. I see both sides of the argument as equal, and will let the courts decide.
Yeah I see both sides as well, but really as a atheist i am big on the separation of church and state thing. And the reality is that leaving it in has the result of indoctrinating children-peer pressure is powerful, and the state often forces children to recite the pledge. When the consequences of not doing so can vary wildly I beleive its unconstitutional.
But a court will decide that. I'm hoping eventually the supreme court will.
can someone please sue atheists for STUPID lawsuits?
Why exactly do you think something like this is stupid? I assure you that for many atheists and others this is important. Would you feel the same if we ended the pledge with "Hail satan?"
Why exactly do you think something like this is stupid? I assure you that for many atheists and others this is important. Would you feel the same if we ended the pledge with "Hail satan?"
IT doesn't mention any one particular God. I'm not a complete Atheist, so I don't understand the complaint from their end.
To an Atheist, GOD is they themselves and the world revolves around them.
They can always pledge allegiance to themselves, as GOD.
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