Obama Orders Public Schools To Respect Transgenders (solution, insurance, dollars)

[greywar]

Originally Posted by Mircea

Why not?

If you're going to do anything, then why do it half-fast?



Those who claim to be transgender, need to put their money where their mouth is and go the whole 9-yards.

Humanly...

Mircea

Lots of reasons exist to not do so. Cost, fear, and the fact that the surgery doesn't always have the results desired. For some it works great, not so much for others.

I dont think humanly applies to a lot of your posts, and certainly not in these ones.

[RC01]

Originally Posted by pknopp

Then why the problem using the restroom that matches your parts?



Straight people are humans with human feelings also.

I honestly don't know the answer to the first part of your question, I'm not trans*. However, I know quite a few trans* people and I don't try to tell them how to feel.

Straight and gay are irrelevant in this conversation. Sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things. You're referring to cisgendered people like you and myself. We aren't discriminated against and dehumanized for being cis. Trans* people are. Don't complain because you can't use your privilege to opress others.

[pknopp]

Originally Posted by RC01

I honestly don't know the answer to the first part of your question, I'm not trans*. However, I know quite a few trans* people and I don't try to tell them how to feel.

But we should tell women that don't want men in their restrooms how to feel?

Straight and gay are irrelevant in this conversation. Sexual orientation and gender identity are two different things. You're referring to cisgendered people like you and myself. We aren't discriminated against and dehumanized for being cis. Trans* people are. Don't complain because you can't use your privilege to opress others.

I'll wait for your answer to my question above why it's O.K. for some but not others.

[RC01]

Originally Posted by pknopp

But we should tell women that don't want men in their restrooms how to feel?



I'll wait for your answer to my question above why it's O.K. for some but not others.

Because their belief is ignorant. If there were any quantifiable evidence that shows negative consequences of letting trans* people use the restroom of the gender they identify with, then I could understand why people would be opposed to it.

[Hyperthetic]

Transgenders are not people.

They are persons!

[gen811]

"The memo is explicit that federal law protects students’ decisions made in accordance with their gender identity. “Under Title IX,” it reads, a school “must treat transgender students consistent with their gender identity in all aspects of the planning, implementation, enrollment, operation, and evaluation of single-sex classes.”

so does this mean bathrooms are free for transgenders to choose?
oh yay.

I am a guy trans can i go into the girls bathroom and gym locker rooms

YAY.

*sneaks a camera into school girls bathroom + lockers.*

you know that will happen...


So what did their gender have to do with teaching them again?
Basically NOTHING they should have been treated as individuals like everyone else from the start.

there should be NO gender preference from the start.
you mean there was PREJUDICE AGAINST GUYS AND GIRLS?
say it isn't so...

repeat:transgender shouldn't have even factored into this equation.


also if transernders want to be a gender they really need to either get the operation done and over with otherwise
stop whining about having to use their own real biological gender.
get through life everyone has to deal with it well deal with it then.


Everyone and their grandma got bullied in high school and idiots join up with other idiots to not get bullied.
you just have to make it through.

stop thinking you are special.
life is not fair deal with it and grow beyond it.
we all know many kids + high school kids are stupid. many of you are too.

you look at your own junk every day and you complain about needing to deal with your own gender...
yeah who is the prejudice one...then causing other people trouble and expect others baby you.

surely not the ones using the bathroom without complaining right?
you tranns also need to get over yourselves

otherwise just ask for a unisex bathroom and be done with it.

guys and girls have every right to be afraid of trans gays and lesbians in places where private parts are exposed.

sorry no girl bathrooms or guy bathrooms should be permitted for gays/lesbians/trans.
there should in fact just be a unisex bathroom to deal with it.

there would be too many problem putting them into regular bathrooms already.
such as straight guys and girls acting like they are trans and sneaking into the boys or girls locker rooms and bathrooms to cause trouble.

YOU KNOW kids+teens will do this SO SHUT UP.

take your solo bathroom and be quiet.
this goes for the gays and lesbians as well.

you shouldn't even be in the same room as the same sex because you are watching your sexual preference undress.
sorry and yes you guys can in fact RAPE just like guys and girls of the straight gender.
STOP kidding yourselves thinking you have higher morals when you don't. if you really do think that way then it is you whom are prejudice and bias.

Guys and Girls were split up for that reason.

Why should you get special treatment?
this is not being bias/prejudice.

this is TREATING YOU THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE
but somehow you think we are treating you differently? yeah go figure

as expected most feminists as well.
you all do not want to be treated fairly
YOU WANT TO HAVE ALL THE ADVANTAGES WITHOUT ANY
of the sacrifices others need to make.

typical HYPOCRITES.

I'll just treat people as individuals.
as for those that whine about stupid stuff like this.
well then I won't even bother.
these people are stupid.

I am not prejudice against them because they are transgenders
but I will be prejudice against them because they are STUPID.


YOU do not need laws to force us to treat you the same way as other people.
But you will whine and complain about it making me or others hate you more.

for gays/lesbians
marriage in itself is just a promise to be together forever under religion that's is all.
and since most are divorcing marriage means BULLS*** now.
So why are gays/lesbians/etc complaining so much about NOTHING.

if your religion refuses to grant you marriage then CHANGE TO ANOTHER RELIGION THEN
BIG DEAL.

SIMPLE AS THAT.
LAWS DO NOT AND SHOULD NOT DICTATE MARRIAGE.
ALSO Sexual orientation/transgender shouldn't have ANYTHING TO DO WITH education.



forcing people to like you or act a certain way doesn't change their true opinions

SO my main complaint about all you guys is the fact that you are all politicizing BULL S***
calling the feds to tell others what to think = LOW and tyrannical
for me it just makes me dislike certain groups MORE because it makes me believe many of you are whinny and making me whine about you being whiny instead
then both of us can hate each other further.



Instead of dealing with REAL PROBLEMS.
Anyway gays/lesbians/transsexuals/feminists/etc.
I'll treat you the same as everyone else provided you all stop whining.

[weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by gen811

i am a guy tranny can i go into the girls bathroom and gym locker rooms

yay.

*sneaks a camera into school girls bathroom + lockers.*

you know that will happen...

Trannies really need to either get the operation done.
Or stop whining.

About having to use their own real biological gender
and get through life.
Either choose or get treated the same as everyone else.
Stop thinking you are special.

Life is not fair deal with it.

You look at your own junk every day and you complain about needing to deal with your own gender...
Yeah who is the prejudice one...then causing other people trouble and expect others baby you.

Surely not the ones using the bathroom without complaining right?

Trannies need to get over themselves.

Otherwise just ask for a unisex bathroom and be done with it.

Sorry no girl bathrooms or guy bathrooms for you guys.
You have to be alone otherwise you all would cause too much problems
such as straight guys and girls acting like they are trannies and sneaking into the boys or girls locker rooms and bathrooms to cause trouble.

You know kids+teens will do this so shut up.

Take your solo bathroom and be quiet.
This goes for the gays and lesbians as well.

You shouldn't even be in the same room as the same sex because you are watching your sexual preference undress.
Sorry

guys and girls were split up for that reason.

Why should you get special treatment?
This is not being bias/prejudice.

this is treating you the same as everyone else
but somehow you think we are treating you differently? Yeah go figure

as expected most feminists as well.
You all do not want to be treated fairly
you want to have all the advantages without any
of the sacrifices others need to make.

Typical hypocrites.

I'll just treat people as individuals.
As for those that whine about stupid stuff like this.
Well then i won't even bother.
These people are stupid.

i am not prejudice against them because they are trannies
but i will be prejudice against them because they are stupid.

wtf??

[RC01]

Originally Posted by gen811

so does this mean bathrooms are free for trannies to choose?
oh yay.

I am a guy tranny can i go into the girls bathroom and gym locker rooms

YAY.

*sneaks a camera into school girls bathroom + lockers.*

you know that will happen...


So what did their gender have to do with teaching them again?
Basically NOTHING they should have been treated as individuals like everyone else from the start.

there should be NO gender preference from the start.
you mean there was PREJUDICE AGAINST GUYS AND GIRLS?
say it isn't so...

transgender shouldn't have even factored into this equation.


also if trannies want to be a gender they really need to either get the operation done and over with otherwise
stop whining about having to use their own real biological gender.
get through life everyone has to deal with it well deal with it then.


Everyone and their grandma got bullied in high school and idiots join up with other idiots to not get bullied.
you just have to make it through.

stop thinking you are special.
life is not fair deal with it and grow beyond it.
we all know many kids + high school kids are stupid. many of you are too.

you look at your own junk every day and you complain about needing to deal with your own gender...
yeah who is the prejudice one...then causing other people trouble and expect others baby you.

surely not the ones using the bathroom without complaining right?
you trannies also need to get over yourselves

otherwise just ask for a unisex bathroom and be done with it.

guys and girls have every right to be afraid of trannies gays and lesbians in places where private parts are exposed.

sorry no girl bathrooms or guy bathrooms should be permitted for gays/lesbians/trans.
there should in fact just be a unisex bathroom to deal with it.

there would be too many problem putting them into regular bathrooms already.
such as straight guys and girls acting like they are trannies and sneaking into the boys or girls locker rooms and bathrooms to cause trouble.

YOU KNOW kids+teens will do this SO SHUT UP.

take your solo bathroom and be quiet.
this goes for the gays and lesbians as well.

you shouldn't even be in the same room as the same sex because you are watching your sexual preference undress.
sorry and yes you guys can in fact RAPE just like guys and girls of the straight gender.
STOP kidding yourselves thinking you have higher morals when you don't. if you really do think that way then it is you whom are prejudice and bias.

Guys and Girls were split up for that reason.

Why should you get special treatment?
this is not being bias/prejudice.

this is TREATING YOU THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE
but somehow you think we are treating you differently? yeah go figure

as expected most feminists as well.
you all do not want to be treated fairly
YOU WANT TO HAVE ALL THE ADVANTAGES WITHOUT ANY
of the sacrifices others need to make.

typical HYPOCRITES.

I'll just treat people as individuals.
as for those that whine about stupid stuff like this.
well then I won't even bother.
these people are stupid.

I am not prejudice against them because they are trannies
but I will be prejudice against them because they are STUPID.


YOU do not need laws to force us to treat you the same way as other people.
But you will whine and complain about it making me or others hate you more.
marriage in itself is just a promise to be together under religion that's is all.
if your religion refuses to grant you marriage then CHANGE TO ANOTHER RELIGION THEN
BIG DEAL.

SIMPLE AS THAT.
LAWS DO NOT AND SHOULD NOT DICTATE MARRIAGE.
ALSO Sexual orientation/transgender shouldn't have ANYTHING TO DO WITH education.



my main complaint about all you guys is the fact that you are all politicizing BULL ****

Anyway gays/lesbians/transsexuals/feminists/etc.
I'll treat you the same as everyone else provided you all stop whining.

It's really sad that people still think like you

[gen811]

Originally Posted by weltschmerz

wtf??

sorry I wasn't done complaining about bull s*** stories like this.
FEDS telling what people should and should not think.

forcing us to act a certain way will not change what we really think
so sorry we have our own opinions DEAL WITH IT.

Tyrants

[weltschmerz]

Originally Posted by RC01

It's really sad that people still think like you

It doesn't even make any sense!
Why would a gay transgender male sneak into a girls' bathroom or locker room to take pictures of GIRLS? If he's gay, he has no interest in girls.
Nothing about that post made sense.