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Because they want people to shop "early bird deals". The Black Friday season actually goes from the Monday prior to the following Monday, which used to be a Cyber Monday but now it's all really one big week, for all intents and purposes. Either brick and mortar or online, the sales last longer.
yes, I run an internet company and know very well the reason.. i was being sarcastic.
the point is that some people are counting all week sales, and then comparing them to previous "black friday" or even black Friday weekend, and then proclaiming, look, we're selling more..
well of course we are, we're comparing more days.
Sales are stretched out, which results in needing less employees over the weekend because stores are no longer flooded with a large crowd that they once were..
So rather than hire a bunch of fill time employees, they are dealing with several part timers that they can bring in during the peak periods and not needing them during the slow ones..
Great! Give thanks to the Republicans for stopping Obama and the Democrats with their economic recovery delaying policies and finally starting to get the economy on track!
Of course, the funny thing is since I know what a liberal you are, you obviously posted this as some sort of attempt to credit Obama. But the thing is, it isn't 2009 anymore. If Obama's strategies were going to work, they would have already worked years ago. The fact is that the economy only started to improve after the Republican obstructionism you all whine about so much. When the Democrats had a supermajority, the economy tanked.
But it is typical liberal behavior. Whine about Republicans obstructing what you want to do, then after your policies have been blocked, trumpet the resulting improvement as if your policies had anything to do with it whatsoever. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the logical failure of complaining that you can't implement your policies and then trying to claim your policies were successful.
The economy tanked well before the Democrats had a super majority, which they only had for roughly one month. The economy started growing again in mid 2009.
Personally I think the health of the economy is only partially influenced by which party is in power. I would note however that much of the job growth and decline in unemployment that we have seen has been since the partial repeal of the Bush Tax Cuts; you know the type of action that some believe should have killed job growth and raised unemployment. Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted Series title: (Seas) Employment Level Labor force status: Employed Type of data: Number in thousands Age: 16 years and over Series Id: LNS13000000
Seasonally Adjusted Series title: (Seas) Unemployment Level Labor force status: Unemployed Type of data: Number in thousands Age: 16 years and over
12 million Americans have dropped out the workforce since Obama became President.
93 million Americans are not working and not looking.
Great times just like 1999.
How many of the 93 million Americans not working are because they are retired, disabled or are in school? Those categories make up the largest segments of that 93 million.
If you had read the actual report, at the very least you would have seen your last sentence is untrue.
You would also realize that our population skews older and that those people leaving the work force are older as Mircea clearly pointed out by mistake by showing Civilian labor force size.
I made no mistake.
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Originally Posted by dsjj251
i went to the website,Thats how i was able to point out the lie in his argument by claiming Labor force size was the same thing as LF Participation. those numbers werent there.
I never lied, you did.
You have no freaking idea what you're talking about.
I'll explain this so others aren't poisoned by your Kool-Aid®.
The following are all real actual data, not the phony estimated seasonally adjusted numbers.
LNU00000000
(Unadj) Population Level
248,844,000
That is the number of Americans who are over the age of 16, but who are not institutionalized. To be "institutionalized" means to be incarcerated, in hospital, in hospice, in a nursing home, or in a mental health facility.
Generally, population increases monthly due to birth-rate and immigration.
LNU01000000
(Unadj) Civilian Labor Force Level
156,616,000 October
156,297,000 November
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-319,000 that means 319,000 Americans left the work-force.
Being in the work-force is voluntary, not a requirement. You cannot assume those people retired, since anyone can leave the work-force for any reason, or no reason at all.
LNU01300000
(Unadj) Labor Force Participation Rate
62.8%
The Labor Force Participation Rate is mathematically derived by determining what percent of the population is part of the work-force:
156,297,000 Labor Force / 248,844,000 Population Available To Work = 0.628
As everyone can plainly see, there are no lies, there are only stupid morons who are clueless.
LNU02000000
(Unadj) Employment Level
147,936,000 October
147,666,000 November
------------
-270,000 net job losses.
There are 270,000 fewer Americans working right now.
LNU02500000
(Unadj) Employed, Usually Work Full Time
120,176,000 October
119,441,000 November
------------
-735,000 Full-Time jobs lost.
30 days ago, 735,000 Americans had a full-time job, and now they don't.
LNU02600000
(Unadj) Employed, Usually Work Part Time
27,760,000 October
28,225,000 November
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+465,000 Part-Time jobs.
Over the last 30 days, 465,000 Americans were successful in obtaining Part-Time employment.
To determine the ratio of employed to the population, we derive that here:
147,666,000 Employed / 248,844,000 Population Available To Work = 0.593
And you can find that here:
LNU02300000
(Unadj) Employment-Population Ratio
59.3%
That, is exactly what happened in your economy over the last 30 days, by the numbers.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
How do you LOSE 735,000 actual jobs, and then seasonally adjust them during Christmas season to justify its the norm?
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
If you create 1 065 000 and lose 735 000, then you will have created 330 000 jobs.
Geez, no wonder you can't get into the 5th Level Economy to save the US.
-735,000 Full-Time Workers lost their jobs
+465,000 Workers were blessed with Part-Time jobs
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A net job loss of 270,000 jobs.
LNU02000000
(Unadj) Employment Level
147,936,000 October
147,666,000 November
------------
-270,000 net job losses.
Your number is of the size of the labor force, not its participation rate of that force , there for that is the total number of people over 16 and under 65, regardless of if they want a job or not.
We already demonstrated that you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Originally Posted by dsjj251
that means the 319,000 people you are talking about either died or turned 65.
No, it does not.
From which Solar System did you come?
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Originally Posted by dsjj251
Unless you polled those people, you have no idea why they no longer have a job, but nice speculation. for all you know that entire population is of Baby boomers
I don't have to poll those people, since your government does that for me.
There are many ways to derive this information.
Series Id: LNU05000012
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Unadj) Not in Labor Force, 16-19 yrs.
Labor force status: Not in labor force
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 to 19 years
10,933,000 October
11,122,000 November
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189,000 Workers age 16-19 years left the work-force.
Series Id: LNU05000060
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Unadj) Not in Labor Force, 25-54 yrs.
Labor force status: Not in labor force
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 25 to 54 years
23,606,000 October
23,734,000 November
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128,000 Americans age 25-54 years left the work-force
Series Id: LNU05024230
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Unadj) Not in Labor Force, 55 yrs. & over
Labor force status: Not in labor force
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 55 years and over
51,187,000 October
51,219,000 November
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32,000 Boomers left the work-force
So.....what spectacular fail for the "....blah blah blah Boomers....blah blah blah....10,000 turn 65 daily.....blah blah blah...Social Security.....blah blah blah.... Blue Meanies..."
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Originally Posted by dsjj251
I also dont see where you are getting any of those sets of numbers from do you mind actually showing where they claim from ????
It's for adults.
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Originally Posted by greywar
Oh look, someone who doesn't understand why seasonally adjusted numbers might be important.
Sigh.
Seasonally adjusted are phony numbers.
It's like "grading on a curve" only different. Exam with 100 questions, you get 46 correct, that is an "F" but grading on the curve it ends being a "C".
Unadjusted data tells you exactly what's happening in the economy. Seasonally adjusted is someone's idealized vision of what they think should happen to make the lines on a graph look pretty.
Apologies not accepted...
It's like "grading on a curve" only different. Exam with 100 questions, you get 46 correct, that is an "F" but grading on the curve it ends being a "C".
Unadjusted data tells you exactly what's happening in the economy. Seasonally adjusted is someone's idealized vision of what they think should happen to make the lines on a graph look pretty.
Apologies not accepted...
Mircea
Seasonally adjusted numbers should indicate an increase in employment, not a decrease..
if the real numbers have fallen, its not good since we should have more people working during Christmas.
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Great! Give thanks to the Republicans for stopping Obama and the Democrats with their economic recovery delaying policies and finally starting to get the economy on track!
Of course, the funny thing is since I know what a liberal you are, you obviously posted this as some sort of attempt to credit Obama. But the thing is, it isn't 2009 anymore. If Obama's strategies were going to work, they would have already worked years ago. The fact is that the economy only started to improve after the Republican obstructionism you all whine about so much. When the Democrats had a supermajority, the economy tanked.
But it is typical liberal behavior. Whine about Republicans obstructing what you want to do, then after your policies have been blocked, trumpet the resulting improvement as if your policies had anything to do with it whatsoever. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the logical failure of complaining that you can't implement your policies and then trying to claim your policies were successful.
The only logical fail here is on you.
The economy started to tank in 2006, When Republicans were in control of both Houses. The November 2006 jobs report showed that in October, our country only created 2,000 jobs. Democrats didnt take control of either Chamber until 2007.
Democrats only had a supermajority for 21 days over a 3 month period in the later half of 2009.
By your own logic, Democratic policies had always been blocked except for those 21 days.
As the typical partisan person you are, you didnt even realize your post signed the death nail to your argument.
You have no freaking idea what you're talking about.
I'll explain this so others aren't poisoned by your Kool-Aid®.
The following are all real actual data, not the phony estimated seasonally adjusted numbers.
LNU00000000
(Unadj) Population Level
248,844,000
That is the number of Americans who are over the age of 16, but who are not institutionalized. To be "institutionalized" means to be incarcerated, in hospital, in hospice, in a nursing home, or in a mental health facility.
Generally, population increases monthly due to birth-rate and immigration.
LNU01000000
(Unadj) Civilian Labor Force Level
156,616,000 October
156,297,000 November
------------
-319,000 that means 319,000 Americans left the work-force.
Being in the work-force is voluntary, not a requirement. You cannot assume those people retired, since anyone can leave the work-force for any reason, or no reason at all.
LNU01300000
(Unadj) Labor Force Participation Rate
62.8%
The Labor Force Participation Rate is mathematically derived by determining what percent of the population is part of the work-force:
156,297,000 Labor Force / 248,844,000 Population Available To Work = 0.628
As everyone can plainly see, there are no lies, there are only stupid morons who are clueless.
LNU02000000
(Unadj) Employment Level
147,936,000 October
147,666,000 November
------------
-270,000 net job losses.
There are 270,000 fewer Americans working right now.
LNU02500000
(Unadj) Employed, Usually Work Full Time
120,176,000 October
119,441,000 November
------------
-735,000 Full-Time jobs lost.
30 days ago, 735,000 Americans had a full-time job, and now they don't.
LNU02600000
(Unadj) Employed, Usually Work Part Time
27,760,000 October
28,225,000 November
-----------
+465,000 Part-Time jobs.
Over the last 30 days, 465,000 Americans were successful in obtaining Part-Time employment.
To determine the ratio of employed to the population, we derive that here:
147,666,000 Employed / 248,844,000 Population Available To Work = 0.593
And you can find that here:
LNU02300000
(Unadj) Employment-Population Ratio
59.3%
That, is exactly what happened in your economy over the last 30 days, by the numbers.
Geez, no wonder you can't get into the 5th Level Economy to save the US.
-735,000 Full-Time Workers lost their jobs
+465,000 Workers were blessed with Part-Time jobs
---------
A net job loss of 270,000 jobs.
LNU02000000
(Unadj) Employment Level
147,936,000 October
147,666,000 November
------------
-270,000 net job losses.
Wow!
That's exactly what it says there.
Funny how 5th Grade Math works....
Mircea
What's really funny is how you look at unadjusted numbers when it suits you, and adjusted numbers when it suits you. Numbers are adjusted to even out seasonal swings. Summer and early fall are big times for construction - those jobs are lost during the cold months (and November was particularly cold). December will see a huge uptick in temporary jobs. None of these matter much to the adjusted numbers, which is... why they're adjusted. So the UE rate doesn't swing wildly around all year.
It's nothing akin at all to a grading curve. Nothing. Instead, it's more akin to an overall average. If a student gets an A on one exam, and a C on the next, it averages to a B. That what's the seasonally adjusted numbers are. So the A's don't look so phenomenal and the Cs don't look so dreadful.
You want the unadjusted numbers? Here they are: Number of FT employees in the US
FT employees in November 2013: 116.8 million
FT employees in November 2014: 119.4 million
Wow! Look at those million+ numbers in April and May!!! But wait... didn't the adjusted numbers only report something like 250K jobs created those months? Monkey business!!! And wow, 890K FT jobs vanished in January. I bet the stock market tanked on that news.
What's really funny is how you look at unadjusted numbers when it suits you, and adjusted numbers when it suits you. Numbers are adjusted to even out seasonal swings. Summer and early fall are big times for construction - those jobs are lost during the cold months (and November was particularly cold). December will see a huge uptick in temporary jobs. None of these matter much to the adjusted numbers, which is... why they're adjusted. So the UE rate doesn't swing wildly around all year.
I'm curious to hear how we lose 700K jobs (real jobs) during the holiday season, and they seasonally adjust the number to indicate 321K jobs were added.
Wouldnt seasonally adjusted numbers indicate an INCREASE in jobs, not a decrease, since we should have MORE people working through the holiday season?
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