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Old 12-21-2014, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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All of this actually is about the chosen few investors and financial managers that actually own and control our Congress. Indeed we have lost control of our government.
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Old 12-21-2014, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You are darn straight I am blaming Obama! The democratic party used to stand up for the working man. No more!.
You will need to vote for someone further left of Obama and you might get what you want.
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Old 12-21-2014, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Because we all know that Congress had no idea this was happening.

Don't you see the pattern yet ? Wait til the last minute and pass a bill containing many contentious amendments claiming they had no time.
You are right, there was time. There was 48 hours to read a 4000 page bill.
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Old 12-21-2014, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You are right, there was time. There was 48 hours to read a 4000 page bill.
That is their mode of operation now. Wait until the last minute, cram the bill full of grift and pork and just pass it.
Been that way since Obamacare passed.
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Old 12-21-2014, 12:03 PM
 
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As they say...follow the money. The unions pushed this change, not the pension investment companies.
Seems some wont admit this.

Unions sold out the old guys to pad the pockets of the union leaders and those currently working.

They stuck a knife in the backs of millions of hard working 30-40 year people who earned their pensions and it should never be touched.

I would rather see current employees not get raises, not get free anything to get those retirees their money they already earned.

The unions cause a ton of issues for most people and cripples it members with some very poor decisions. In this case former union members who are not paying into their lousy bank roll so the unions dont care about them anymore.
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Old 12-21-2014, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Seems some wont admit this.

Unions sold out the old guys to pad the pockets of the union leaders and those currently working.

They stuck a knife in the backs of millions of hard working 30-40 year people who earned their pensions and it should never be touched.

I would rather see current employees not get raises, not get free anything to get those retirees their money they already earned.

The unions cause a ton of issues for most people and cripples it members with some very poor decisions. In this case former union members who are not paying into their lousy bank roll so the unions dont care about them anymore.
The unions got in bed with the bankers and lost a lot of pension fund money in the "Great Recession".

GS also has their hand in public pension money so this is just the beginning.
A 40 year old law has been tossed to the side.
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Old 12-21-2014, 12:17 PM
 
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I don't see anything wrong with this.
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Old 12-21-2014, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I don't see anything wrong with this.
Well I guess a 60% cut to your pension 20 years into your retirement is just fine and dandy and you'll just "adjust" to your reduced pension ?
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Old 12-21-2014, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Florida
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That is their mode of operation now. Wait until the last minute, cram the bill full of grift and pork and just pass it.
Been that way since Obamacare passed.
Sure, except they debated ACA for about 12 moths.
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Old 12-21-2014, 12:26 PM
 
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Well I guess a 60% cut to your pension 20 years into your retirement is just fine and dandy and you'll just "adjust" to your reduced pension ?
I'm leaving the U.S. next year and hopefully never coming back, I'm moving to a place that has less people of European descent. In 40 something years when I'm at retirement age, I won't need a pension to support myself and I'll be financially secure. Any decisions that Obama is making now concerning Americas future I fully support, namely because any negative impact his decisions will have in the future won't affect me and I think will be much deserved...
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