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Old 01-10-2015, 09:58 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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There has got to be a mechanism to keep manufacturing jobs here. Once the heart of the middle class.
Through out our history until recently the USA and other nations had tariffs as a way to keep the economy moving along. Adjusting the tariff's as needed, to keep a balance.

Tariff's need to be, so imports are competitively priced to the consumer, in comparison to American made products. So the American manufacturing does not get undercut and go out of business.

The Smoot Hawley Tariff Act, was an example of an adjustment that got things out of balance. Raising tariffs, 3x's higher than the trade balance.
It is said, that talks in congress leading up to the Acts passing, is what cause the stock market to implode.
Economists such as Thomas Rustici have claimed that whilst international trade was only a small portion of the US economy. The trade collapse directly affected vital banking institutions and services which had a much wider knock on effect.
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Old 01-10-2015, 10:03 AM
 
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There has got to be a mechanism to keep manufacturing jobs here. Once the heart of the middle class.
Through out our history until recently the USA and other nations had tariffs as a way to keep the economy moving along. Adjusting the tariff's as needed, to keep a balance.

Tariff's need to be, so imports are competitively priced to the consumer, in comparison to American made products. So the American manufacturing does not get undercut and go out of business.

The Smoot Hawley Tariff Act, was an example of an adjustment that got things out of balance. Raising tariffs, 3x's higher than the trade balance.
It is said, that talks in congress leading up to the Acts passing, is what cause the stock market to implode.
Economists such as Thomas Rustici have claimed that whilst international trade was only a small portion of the US economy. The trade collapse directly affected vital banking institutions and services which had a much wider knock on effect.
The mechanism to keep industry here is called economic freedom.

We have very little of it, since our tax rates and the virtual tax of regulation makes staying here financially infeasible.
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Old 01-10-2015, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Texas
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No. Protectionism would cause more harm than good. The costs of goods would rise and it would have a negative effect overall.
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Old 01-10-2015, 10:12 AM
 
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Protectionism just make consumer price higher and drives down consumers real purchasing power. Really no different than price fixing.
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Old 01-10-2015, 10:28 AM
 
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Tariffs serve to raise the price of imported goods. They accomplish nothing else. Does this improve the economy?

So, if I buy $900 worth of clothing a year that's imported, and you raise the tariffs to make it cost $4000, will I spend $4000 on clothing? Likely not. But even if I had to, I would spend $3100 LESS somewhere else. You transferred employment from some other domestic production to clothing and profits from some other product to clothing, but the economy did not improve overall and neither did employment.

So, given the results, what was served by it?

Answer: Government got greater control over your spending.

That is all that protectionism serves. It enables corruption and collusion and crony capitalism.
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Old 01-10-2015, 12:12 PM
 
Location: MD's Eastern Shore
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Tariffs serve to raise the price of imported goods. They accomplish nothing else. Does this improve the economy?

So, if I buy $900 worth of clothing a year that's imported, and you raise the tariffs to make it cost $4000, will I spend $4000 on clothing? Likely not. But even if I had to, I would spend $3100 LESS somewhere else.
But I see it as putting a hurting on companies that are manufacturing and giving our jobs away overseas. If higher tariffs were imposed and nobody here wanted to pay the extra for those imported clothes it may force the companies to bring there manufacturing back to the US increasing our job opportunities and bringing back the middle class.
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Old 01-10-2015, 12:35 PM
 
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I am all for Tariffs.

What would happen is there would be less profit taking for executives and shareholders and prices would remain the same.

Take the case of the Iphone as an example:

Your iPhone Was Built, In Part, By 13 Year-Olds Working 16 Hours A Day For 70 Cents An Hour*
Read more: Your iPhone Was Built, In Part, By 13 Year-Olds Working 16 Hours A Day For 70 Cents An Hour* - Business Insider

Apple’s $649 iPhone 6 Reportedly Costs $200 to Make
Apple's iPhone 6 Reportedly Costs $200 to Make

The "US" companies over in China gain Fat Profits by utilizing cheap labor and then selling it back to sucker Americans at elevated prices.

These companies need to have skin in the game and enacting tariffs would be one step.
If they don't like the tariffs, they could sell their widgets to their Chinese employees that make 70 cents an hour.
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Old 01-10-2015, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Houston
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No. Protectionism would cause more harm than good. The costs of goods would rise and it would have a negative effect overall.
Yes, Ricardo is still correct.
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Old 01-10-2015, 12:44 PM
 
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The mechanism to keep industry here is called economic freedom.

We have very little of it, since our tax rates and the virtual tax of regulation makes staying here financially infeasible.


If our politicians were acting within the dictates of the Constitution, these companies would not be able to run to China and sell back to us either.

There is something in it about promoting the general welfare of this nation and I am sure the founding fathers were not talking about China.
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Old 01-10-2015, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Tarifs don't work any more. They were a tool developed when the world was regional, not global, in it's trade.

Credit is what makes the economies of the world operate now, not tariffs. We cannot survive on our own, with walls of tariffs surrounding us. We haven't been able to do that ever since the Civil War started. The very first thing the Confederacy did was to suspend all tariffs that affected southern goods. By then, very few of the earliest tariffs even survived.

If they didn't work 150 years ago, they are surely not going to work now. It's time to catch up to the realities of the 21st century, Bent. Dreaming of returning to a blissful past ain't ever going to happen, and your version of the past never existed to begin with.
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