LBJ was an evil man (racist, Brown, independent, military)
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I must disagree. Look at the numbers and depth of involvement. Ike committed a handful of advisors. Kennedy had been badly burned by the Bay of Pigs; he sent a few more, but no evidence exists that he was willing to go in with major numbers of troops. No, it was LBJ who brought the level to two hundred thousand, then four, them half a million (i was one of them, by the way). If you want a real original perpetrator, you need to look at Truman, whose State Department caved to France and permitted them to re-occupy Vietnam as a colony, after the US had promised Ho Chi Minh independence as a reward for opposing the Japanese.
Well, if you wanna take it back to Roosevelt, i won't argue.
Ike did more than commit a handful of advisors...he and Truman financed the French war in Indochina.
As for Kennedy's role, you guys have gotta stop letting him off the hook in Vietnam. His killing of Diem GUARANTEED deeper American involvement in Vietnam. When you do as much as we'd done leading up to Johnson becoming our president, war is inevitable.
Again, i'm not exculpating Johnson...but he did exactly what Kennedy would've done.
LBJ was no angel, and in fact could be a terrible SOB when he wanted to be. He was a bully that had no problem browbeating his fellow senators when he was the Majority leader. And i mean PHYSICALLY as well as a tongue lashing.
The flipside is that he would back down if he got strong pushback and he knew who he could and couldn't mess with. When he tried to work his way back into Senate power while still being the Vice President, Mike Mansfield told him to get the hell out of the Senate and don't come back unless he was called. The Kennedy Men in the White House OPENLY pushed him around and showed overt contempt for him.
But "evil" is a bit strong. He was certainly no more evil than his predecessors. You can make a case that Kennedy was far more evil than Johnson ever was.
True dat. It was Kennedy who ordered J Edgar Hoover to monitor MLK's perverted sexual proclivities. Pot meet kettle.
Johnson signed the bill, Kennedy called for it......
He didn't just SIGN the bill. He pretty much pushed it through and used the bully pulpit of the Presidency to push it through. If you have spare time, you should read about how difficult it was to pass the 1964 Civil Rights Bill. It was basically "sat on" by the chairman of the House Rules Committee (a southerner) and was only brought out from under Committee by an unprecedented popular vote in the House, which brought it to the floor. Then, it was filibustered in the Senate for like almost 3 months. Kennedy would most likely not have been as effective as LBJ was in getting the bills passed.
you are wrong, read up on it.....Kennedy did the leg work for it and called for it in his speeches, Johnson did sign the bill for it, however, he took credit for it to....
Calling for it in speeches is ONE thing. Getting the sh*t passed is quite another. Kennedy was very eloquent much like Obama. Was he really all of that though? I read that he told Sammy Davis Jr to stay away from him because Sammy Davis was married to or dating a white woman at the time. He also had J Edgar Hoover monitor MLK's sexual proclivities with white prostitutes. He shared these with his gold digger wife (Jackie) who bragged that MLK was a perv.
Or maybe it didn't get the nominations because it is not such a great movie, and maybe American Sniper got so many because it is a much better movie.
Glenn Beck simply makes it us as he goes, which is why 99% of Americans pay no attention to what he says.
Like him or not he has a lot of followers. Where your thought process is at times is boggling.
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