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Don't lecture me on how vaccines work. I have an autoimmune disease. I've well aware of how it works.
And I'll repeat, while my immune system is working to produce antibodies, it's not protecting me from other things.
I don't do anything that screws with my immune system. And I must be doing something right. Did you see the part about me not ever getting the flu?
I'm sorry for your autoimmune disease.
However, I'd attribute your lack of flu disease to luck, not "doing something right". I'm truly surprised your doctor doesn't encourage you to get a flu shot. Trust me, a case of flu would be far worse for you.
Seriously? Flu/pneumonia (a complication of flu) was the 8th leading cause of death last year! Meanwhile, there were no deaths from smallpox. My guess is your doctor knew it was hopeless to try to talk to you about this further. "Commission"? Surely you jest! And "low risk" does not mean "no risk", something the scientifically illiterate don't seem to get.
Actually no one knows how many deaths are attributed to the flu because it's all an estimate. The CDC now includes every person who died of Pneumonia (even those caused by bacteria, rather than virus) and has also included Respiratory/Circulatory ailments. They also claim the flu aggravates chronic health conditions like heart disease. That brings them to 36,000 deaths a year. They get their numbers from the EIP (Emergency Infections Program) who only include people diagnosed with the flu. The actual number in 2010 of confirmed flu deaths was 500. The rest is guess work. The CDC doesn't like those numbers so they call it "under-reporting", add in extra categories and then multiply them all together by 2.7 to create the larger number. Any way you look at it, the data is inaccurate and groups like the EIP/CDC use questionable tactics to create fear in people like yourself. Big pharma is making an absolute killing with these flu shots. The prospect of getting their Government partners to mandate them for everyone in the country, then later the world, means they will continue to create compelling arguments/data for their products. Remember, Big Pharma spends more on marketing than they do on R/D and are the single largest industry for corporate lobbying in the world. They pay our Congressmen more than the Oil industry, Banking industry or the Military Industrial Complex, which is why our politicians continue to try to force their products on us.
Actually no one knows how many deaths are attributed to the flu because it's all an estimate. The CDC now includes every person who died of Pneumonia (even those caused by bacteria, rather than virus) and has also included Respiratory/Circulatory ailments. They also claim the flu aggravates chronic health conditions like heart disease. That brings them to 36,000 deaths a year. They get their numbers from the EIP (Emergency Infections Program) who only include people diagnosed with the flu. The actual number in 2010 of confirmed flu deaths was 500. The rest is guess work. The CDC doesn't like those numbers so they call it "under-reporting", add in extra categories and then multiply them all together by 2.7 to create the larger number. Any way you look at it, the data is inaccurate and groups like the EIP/CDC use questionable tactics to create fear in people like yourself. Big pharma is making an absolute killing with these flu shots. The prospect of getting their Government partners to mandate them for everyone in the country, then later the world, means they will continue to create compelling arguments/data for their products. Remember, Big Pharma spends more on marketing than they do on R/D and are the single largest industry for corporate lobbying in the world. They pay our Congressmen more than the Oil industry, Banking industry or the Military Industrial Complex, which is why our politicians continue to try to force their products on us.
It's not an estimate in the case of pedatric deaths. Those are the only flu deaths required to be reported to the CDC. In light of that statement, I'd like to see a source for the bold.
Last edited by CaseyB; 01-21-2015 at 10:20 AM..
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Actually no one knows how many deaths are attributed to the flu because it's all an estimate. The CDC now includes every person who died of Pneumonia (even those caused by bacteria, rather than virus) and has also included Respiratory/Circulatory ailments. They also claim the flu aggravates chronic health conditions like heart disease. That brings them to 36,000 deaths a year. They get their numbers from the EIP (Emergency Infections Program) who only include people diagnosed with the flu. The actual number in 2010 of confirmed flu deaths was 500. The rest is guess work. The CDC doesn't like those numbers so they call it "under-reporting", add in extra categories and then multiply them all together by 2.7 to create the larger number. Any way you look at it, the data is inaccurate and groups like the EIP/CDC use questionable tactics to create fear in people like yourself. Big pharma is making an absolute killing with these flu shots. The prospect of getting their Government partners to mandate them for everyone in the country, then later the world, means they will continue to create compelling arguments/data for their products. Remember, Big Pharma spends more on marketing than they do on R/D and are the single largest industry for corporate lobbying in the world. They pay our Congressmen more than the Oil industry, Banking industry or the Military Industrial Complex, which is why our politicians continue to try to force their products on us.
Excellent post-pharmaceuticals is also the most profitable industry in the nation, but I did not know they spent more on marketing than R/D.
Everyone is at risk, some at higher risk than others.
What did we have, one confirmed death of an infant? Nothing I'd lose any sleep over. What's far more concerning to me are the corporations' ability to effect your health via corruption/collusion with the Democrats/Republicans that we elect to represent us.
"In January 2010, Wolfgang Wodarg, a German deputy who trained as a physician and now chairs the health committee at the Council of Europe, claimed major firms had organised a "campaign of panic" to put pressure on the World Health Organisation (WHO) to declare a "false pandemic" to sell vaccines. Wodarg said the WHO's "false pandemic" flu campaign is "one of the greatest medicine scandals of the century". He said that the "false pandemic" campaign began last May in Mexico City, when a hundred or so "normal" reported influenza cases were declared to be the beginning of a threatening new pandemic, although he said there was little scientific evidence for this. Nevertheless he argued that the WHO, "in cooperation with some big pharmaceutical companies and their scientists, re-defined pandemics", removing the statement that "an enormous amount of people have contracted the illness or died" from its existing definition and replacing it by stating simply that there has to be a virus, spreading beyond borders and to which people have no immunity."
"On 12 April 2010, Keiji Fukuda, the WHO's top influenza expert, stated that the system leading to the declaration of a pandemic led to confusion about H1N1 circulating around the world, and he expressed concern that there was a failure to communicate in regard to uncertainties about the new virus, which turned out to be not as deadly as feared. WHO Director-General Margaret Chan has appointed 29 flu experts from outside the organization to conduct a review of WHO's handling of the H1N1 flu pandemic. She has told them, "We want a frank, critical, transparent, credible and independent review of our performance"."
"In June 2010, Fiona Godlee, editor-in-chief of the BMJ, published an editorial which criticised the WHO, saying that an investigation had disclosed that some of the experts advising WHO on the pandemic had financial ties with drug companies which were producing antivirals and vaccines.[95] Margaret Chan, Director-General of the WHO, replied stating, "Without question, the BMJ feature and editorial will leave many readers with the impression that WHO's decision to declare a pandemic was at least partially influenced by a desire to boost the profits of the pharmaceutical industry. The bottom line, however, is that decisions to raise the level of pandemic alert were based on clearly defined virological and epidemiological criteria. It is hard to bend these criteria, no matter what the motive".[94] In August 2010, the Daily Mail printed an article stating that "a third of the experts advising the World Health Organisation about the swine flu pandemic had ties to drugs firms" and that of the 20 members of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, which advised the British Government on swine flu, 11 had done work for the pharmaceutical industry or were linked to it through their universities."
Actually no one knows how many deaths are attributed to the flu because it's all an estimate. The CDC now includes every person who died of Pneumonia (even those caused by bacteria, rather than virus) and has also included Respiratory/Circulatory ailments. They also claim the flu aggravates chronic health conditions like heart disease. That brings them to 36,000 deaths a year. They get their numbers from the EIP (Emergency Infections Program) who only include people diagnosed with the flu. The actual number in 2010 of confirmed flu deaths was 500. The rest is guess work. The CDC doesn't like those numbers so they call it "under-reporting", add in extra categories and then multiply them all together by 2.7 to create the larger number. Any way you look at it, the data is inaccurate and groups like the EIP/CDC use questionable tactics to create fear in people like yourself. Big pharma is making an absolute killing with these flu shots. The prospect of getting their Government partners to mandate them for everyone in the country, then later the world, means they will continue to create compelling arguments/data for their products. Remember, Big Pharma spends more on marketing than they do on R/D and are the single largest industry for corporate lobbying in the world. They pay our Congressmen more than the Oil industry, Banking industry or the Military Industrial Complex, which is why our politicians continue to try to force their products on us.
I can't rep you again but this is a very good post and true.
However, I'd attribute your lack of flu disease to luck, not "doing something right". I'm truly surprised your doctor doesn't encourage you to get a flu shot. Trust me, a case of flu would be far worse for you.
really? then i should go out and buy some lottery tickets because i have gotten the flu only once in 56 years on this earth, and that was because i got a flu vaccine in the 70s.
What a egocentric, selfish, careless, evil, vile, view
So the only life in this world worth protecting is your own? You have no compulsion of altruism in your body? No fear of infecting a pregnant lady, and causing a premature birth? no fear of passing a flu on to a grandmother, killing her?
Here is the thing, Mason
Your not alone in the world
your not sitting in a cave somewhere with no contact with the rest of humanity. You are, if you like it or not, part of a society.
Why do we demonize? because you are responding like a demon! Your fear of a little needle prick or your laziness puts others at risk. . .
How can we not demonize such selfishness?
nothing is guaranteed in this world. Yet the zero cost flu shot to you at that doctors office for 60-70% protection versus the risk of you getting the flu . .and infecting others (some who will be severly impacted)
If there were demons, they would of applauded you and clapped you on the back. F' the world. I'm afraid of needles.
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Originally Posted by Mason3000
Why do you care what other people do with their bodies? You try so hard to demonize those who don't share your opinion that you display mental health issues with your obsessive compulsive drive to force everyone to think like you.
At my recent physical the doctor was visibly upset when I refused a flu shot. She asked incredulously "I just have to ask, why on earth would you NOT want a flu shot?". I told her I hadn't had the flu in decades and wasn't worried about getting it that year either. I asked her if I was in danger of dying from the flu? She said "No", I was not. I asked her if she could guarantee I wouldn't get the flu after taking this shot? She said "No, she could not guarantee that.". I asked if it was true that the vast majority of flu deaths are elderly, infants or those with compromised immune systems? She said "Yes, that is true.". I asked if she made a commission on each flu shot she administered? She told me "I was in good health and she'd see me next year.", then walked out without saying goodbye. She knew it was nonsense.
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