Federal judge strikes down AL marriage ban :) (racist, gay people, homosexuals)

[jacqueg]

Originally Posted by MMM05

hahaha - So worried = Wait and SEE

Not worried, just curious.

Will revisit this thread after the supremes release their decision.

Although I will say I think this teasing is rather fourth-grade of you. If you have something to say, say it. Otherwise, don't bother. I seriously doubt you have any inside track to anything.

[~HecateWhisperCat~]

Originally Posted by MMM05

hahaha - So worried = Wait and SEE

I don't think any of us are worried. We have long seen the handwriting on the wall and can tell which way the wind is blowing is all .

[Chris J Lumbergh]

Originally Posted by arjay57

The government has no business sticking its big snout into when consenting adults can get married.

What about 2 or more consenting adults?

[ContrarianEcon]

Originally Posted by Chris J Lumbergh

What about 2 or more consenting adults?

polygamy How to have your Kate and Edith too.

[wehotex]

Originally Posted by Chris J Lumbergh

What about 2 or more consenting adults?

Well, if you can find a way where a bunch of barefoot pregnant women don't each qualify for SS and Medicare benefits all because of marriage to the SAME man (wage earner), fine with me.

Isn't that the way that they married in the bible? Why would bible thumpers be against it?

[Hellion1999]

since when the FEDS gets involved in the definition of marriage? this was NEVER a federal issue for over 200 years.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

A few activist judges are taking over and damn the states and damn the people of the states.

[turkey-head]

Why do "conservatives" hate the 14th amendment?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

Ok, that was a rhetorical question.

'Conservatives' hate the 14th amendment because it guarantees rights to people that 'conservatives' see as subhuman. That's why the Tea Party wants to repeal the 14th amendment.

[Hellion1999]

Originally Posted by turkey-head

Why do "conservatives" hate the 14th amendment?



Ok, that was a rhetorical question.

'Conservatives' hate the 14th amendment because it guarantees rights to people that 'conservatives' see as subhuman. That's why the Tea Party wants to repeal the 14th amendment.

the equal protection clause was NEVER made for gay marriage.


Equal Protection laws doesn't mean EVERYBODY is equal and everybody should get equal pay under the law.


Liberals have taken the 14th amendment and want to apply their liberal agenda on everything.

[Hellion1999]

The Equal Protection Clause does two things. First it applies the 1st 10 amendments to the states, which up until that point it had not done.
Second if applies all Federal equally across all states, mainly arising from the Dredd Scott ruling in which citizenship requirements were not applied equally to all (This is why Scott was returned to MO as a slave, since he was not deemed to be a Citizen while residing freely in IL).

What the 14th Amendment does not do, is apply State Laws across State Lines. Each State still has its own Sovereign right to make its own laws in accordance with Article I sections 8-11, and 9th and 10th Amendments. If it was intended to apply laws equally across state lines, all laws of all states would be required to be uniform to afford this. The language of the 14th Amendment does not in any respect supersede the 10th Amendment reserving rights not outlined in Article Sections 8-11 of powers given to the Federal Government or Forbidden by the States, are reserved by the states and People Respectively.

Since the regulation of Marriage is not a power delegated to the Federal Government, nor is it forbidden to the States, nor outlined in any other Amendment, that power is hence reserved by the States First IAW the 10th Amendment. Since the 14th Amendment applies ONLY Federal Laws equally among the States (including the Bill Of Rights) this does not violate the equal protection Clause of the 14th amendment.

[hammertime33]

Originally Posted by Hellion1999

The Equal Protection Clause does two things. First it applies the 1st 10 amendments to the states, which up until that point it had not done.
Second if applies all Federal equally across all states, mainly arising from the Dredd Scott ruling in which citizenship requirements were not applied equally to all (This is why Scott was returned to MO as a slave, since he was not deemed to be a Citizen while residing freely in IL).

What the 14th Amendment does not do, is apply State Laws across State Lines. Each State still has its own Sovereign right to make its own laws in accordance with Article I sections 8-11, and 9th and 10th Amendments. If it was intended to apply laws equally across state lines, all laws of all states would be required to be uniform to afford this. The language of the 14th Amendment does not in any respect supersede the 10th Amendment reserving rights not outlined in Article Sections 8-11 of powers given to the Federal Government or Forbidden by the States, are reserved by the states and People Respectively.

Since the regulation of Marriage is not a power delegated to the Federal Government, nor is it forbidden to the States, nor outlined in any other Amendment, that power is hence reserved by the States First IAW the 10th Amendment. Since the 14th Amendment applies ONLY Federal Laws equally among the States (including the Bill Of Rights) this does not violate the equal protection Clause of the 14th amendment.

Um, I think you need to re-read the 14th Amendment. Here's the Equal Protection Clause:

"nor shall any State ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

The Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment absolutely regulates State laws - including State marriage laws.