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The choice was made to enroll him in that school. I see this as a simple matter. Do as they require or find another school that doesn't stand to recite the Pledge each morning. Bucking the administrators isn't going to do any real good for the child or the family. If anything it will create unnecessary tension between the educators and the family so when a real issue arises, if it does, existing friction will make things harder. Their school, their rules. If it was a public school in the traditional sense, I could see arguing. As it is a charter school, things are different.
Never stated it was private school. Seems like some education on the subject charter schools might benefit you.
If that school is compliance with their charter then as I stated before. Dont like it? GTFO. It's that simple.
But if it is funded with tax dollars, the charter cannot legally violate the constitutional rights of the students or their parents. It is a public institution. If this was a private school, they can make you say whatever they want, as a condition of your enrollment.
But that is not the case here. This would be considered government coercion and forced allegiance to itself.
If it is in the charter that one MUST stand and recite the pledge as a condition of attendance, it will never be held up in court if challenged.
So my step son goes to a charter school he has most of his life. This year he is in the 8th grade.
lately he has been complaining that he has to stand up during the pledge of allegiance. We all had to do this as kids ourselves & times have changed for better of worse. Should children have to stand for the pledge if they don't want to? The school is writing kids up if they don't stand & take part in it.
This is not about religion not as far as we are concerned. Yes, there are times in his life that he is going to have to do things he doesn't agree with. Is the school forcing children him & taking away his rights or should he suck it up & deal with it? This could be put under the same as prayer in school if you wanted to take it that way. I'm surprised that this is happening here in Asheville, NC considering how liberal it is here. Granted it's still the bible belt. He asked his mom if he should fight it or just go along with it. She said it was up to him & how far he is willing to take it.
Here's my question: If the school wasn't writing the kids up for not standing would he have any issue standing for the pledge? Is it because of actions of the school, or because he doesn't agree with the pledge (which, as an 8th grader, why does he not agree with the pledge)?
I have a feeling if the school hadn't started the write up policy this thread wouldn't be here and it's more on the lines of defiance of authority. .
I'm as patriotic as the next guy. But kids shouldn't be force fed patriotism. Better to teach kids to think for themselves. And if a kid comes to the conclusion that the pledge is like some kind of loyalty oath and decides to bow out that decision should be respected.
But if it is funded with tax dollars, the charter cannot legally violate the constitutional rights of the students or their parents. It is a public institution. If this was a private school, they can make you say whatever they want, as a condition of your enrollment.
But that is not the case here. This would be considered government coercion and forced allegiance to itself.
If it is in the charter that one MUST stand and recite the pledge as a condition of attendance, it will never be held up in court if challenged.
Again all that is fine and well, IF the school is not violating their State of NC Charter then they have can tell the kid to stand or suffer discipline up to and including getting kicked out.
My suspicion is that the OP is not being completely truthful about the standing situation.
You shouldn't have to do anything you don't want to do when it comes to silly things like this. I didn't stand for God Bless America during the invasion of Iraq. Maybe not wise in South Carolina.
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
And your point being? I don't care what he believes or doesn't that choice is his alone.
On a serious note, if its not a religion based "false idol" issue, he should do what he's told. Entitled and kid shouldn't be in the same sentence. We are a society and we have rules for the common good. Pledging allegiance to your country, in my opinion is a good thing.
This, exactly.
HOWEVER, he has to be willing and able to accept all the problems that his lack of respect will cause...FOR HIM!
If any.
I certainly would not have any sympathy for him if others in the school dissed him about his lack of stance on this issue!
My suspicion is that the OP is not being completely truthful about the standing situation.
And what would I be hiding? This is what HE feels I could careless as I said before as kids we had to but times change, what worked for some kids might not work for others. Yes, he should follow the rules of the school in my honest opinion I think he might be lazy He can be a bear to get up in the morning & tends to take his time getting ready for school. At the same time he has been complaining that he doesn't like his new school.. If there is another reason I would like to know.
So my step son goes to a charter school he has most of his life. This year he is in the 8th grade.
lately he has been complaining that he has to stand up during the pledge of allegiance. We all had to do this as kids ourselves & times have changed for better of worse. Should children have to stand for the pledge if they don't want to? The school is writing kids up if they don't stand & take part in it.
This is not about religion not as far as we are concerned. Yes, there are times in his life that he is going to have to do things he doesn't agree with. Is the school forcing children him & taking away his rights or should he suck it up & deal with it? This could be put under the same as prayer in school if you wanted to take it that way. I'm surprised that this is happening here in Asheville, NC considering how liberal it is here. Granted it's still the bible belt. He asked his mom if he should fight it or just go along with it. She said it was up to him & how far he is willing to take it.
Explain to him how his principles and practices are a reflection of the values he learned from his primary influences in life.
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The school is writing kids up if they don't stand & take part in it.
