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Old 01-25-2015, 11:51 AM
 
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I think it'll be funny when the teacher ask everyone to stand for the pledge and like half the class is kicked back with their feet up saying "I aint got time for that BS".
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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So my step son goes to a charter school he has most of his life. This year he is in the 8th grade.
lately he has been complaining that he has to stand up during the pledge of allegiance. We all had to do this as kids ourselves & times have changed for better of worse. Should children have to stand for the pledge if they don't want to? The school is writing kids up if they don't stand & take part in it.
This is not about religion not as far as we are concerned. Yes, there are times in his life that he is going to have to do things he doesn't agree with. Is the school forcing children him & taking away his rights or should he suck it up & deal with it? This could be put under the same as prayer in school if you wanted to take it that way. I'm surprised that this is happening here in Asheville, NC considering how liberal it is here. Granted it's still the bible belt. He asked his mom if he should fight it or just go along with it. She said it was up to him & how far he is willing to take it.
he should be doing what the rest of the kids are doing, and has to learn there are different rules in different places supervised by adults.
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:56 AM
 
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Be a good parent and be proud of America...
Demonstrate this through personal action showing respect for our country

We are fortunate to be Americans

Tell him why... tell him to participate... that is his right ..

This is a no brainer...
And be a reluctant participle?
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Old 01-25-2015, 11:59 AM
 
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Why not just pledge allegiance to the Constitution?

Never mind.

You'd have to read it and understand it first.

Easier to just pledge to bright colors and stars and stuff.
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Old 01-25-2015, 12:36 PM
 
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he should be doing what the rest of the kids are doing, and has to learn there are different rules in different places supervised by adults.
Conform and obey while praising your liberty? You can't see how messed up that is?
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Old 01-25-2015, 12:42 PM
 
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I'm legally allowed to live, attend school, and work here. Beyond that, my specific status is none of your business.
Then your opinion on this matter means nothing. Your just a visitor in our house.
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Old 01-25-2015, 12:46 PM
 
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Yes, because the only test of citizenship is standing for the pledge like the founding fathers did, right? Oh...wait...that's right...THEY DIDN'T . Guess they aren't tr00 Americans either are they?

If you are not a US citizen then your vote doesn't count which means your opinion on this internal matter doesn't count either.

In an abstract conversation relative to pleadging fealty loyalty yes but with regards to the relevance of our country no.
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Old 01-25-2015, 01:03 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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So my step son goes to a charter school he has most of his life. This year he is in the 8th grade.
lately he has been complaining that he has to stand up during the pledge of allegiance. We all had to do this as kids ourselves & times have changed for better of worse. Should children have to stand for the pledge if they don't want to? The school is writing kids up if they don't stand & take part in it.
This is not about religion not as far as we are concerned. Yes, there are times in his life that he is going to have to do things he doesn't agree with. Is the school forcing children him & taking away his rights or should he suck it up & deal with it? This could be put under the same as prayer in school if you wanted to take it that way. I'm surprised that this is happening here in Asheville, NC considering how liberal it is here. Granted it's still the bible belt. He asked his mom if he should fight it or just go along with it. She said it was up to him & how far he is willing to take it.
It's a matter of respect for the flag, and for our country. Yes he should stand up. "I pledge allegiance to the flag, and to the Republic for which it stands." It's citizenship, and it is patriotism. I would have a problem with anyone who does not love their country enough to respect the flag, and stand while reciting the pledge. (I know ... Jehovah's Witnesses don't, but that's a topic for another thread.)
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Old 01-25-2015, 01:25 PM
 
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It's a matter of respect for the flag, and for our country. Yes he should stand up. "I pledge allegiance to the flag, and to the Republic for which it stands." It's citizenship, and it is patriotism. I would have a problem with anyone who does not love their country enough to respect the flag, and stand while reciting the pledge. (I know ... Jehovah's Witnesses don't, but that's a topic for another thread.)
You obviously do not understand the ideas the country was founded under. I love this country enough to support his right to not stand even if I disagree with him.
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Old 01-25-2015, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I take part in the Ritual of the Pledge because not doing so would cause me more trouble than it is worth. Conforming over this is simply easier.

Republic? You have got to be kidding. Our Corporatocracy is a Republic? Really?

One Nation? Oklahoma and California one nation? Since when?

Under God? We got a lot of choices. Which one?

Liberty and Justice for All. What country are you talking about? Not this one now and not ever.

Seems like the kid has developed a properly cynical attitude early enough to keep from expecting too much from his country but amused disappointment.
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