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Yes, let's use any and all means to defend the "Black" president. Because Obama is " Black" he can't be criticized or questioned is what YOU really are getting at, just admit it. No one here is defending any atrocities from over 800 years ago.
Bush the "White" president is OK to criticize, that's OK.
Obama is the Messiah of all Liberals and anyone that questions ANY of his missteps or failures will be met with race baiting and excuses.
BTW, I'm not exactly "White", but even all other groups will be attacked in his defense at ALL costs.
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Now you are using the disgusting practice of slavery that you have quoted "was over 150 years ago to defend the indefensible comments and deflection of Obama, who isn't man enough to accurately portray islam as the motivator of ISIS.
In turn you are helping to obscure the fact that Obama is rewriting history AND the koran which it's prophet encouraged and engaged in slavery,pedophilia,rape and EXTREME violence. Which ISIS follows literally.
How pathetic!!!!
I did not even vote for Obama...neither time. "What you talkin bout Willis?"
Having listened to the complete speech I did not see Obama attemptting to "create a moral relativism."
It seems to me that the critics of the speech are the ones making a moral relativism argument.
In my opinion, it is hard to argue with Obama assertion which was people distorting religion for evil deeds "is not unique to one group or one religion."
Again, what is the point? At this point in time, and what is relevant to what is happening right now, this level of brutality IS unique to one group of people. For some reason some people just don't want to accept that.
An eye for an eye, was the name of the game in the old testament.
Can't separate the two. Same Bible.
If Jesus is God, then he was the same God in the Old Testament too.
Damn near every Bible has both books in the same binder....Christian preachers quote scripture from both books equally. Christians believe the Old Testament to be a work of God.
Jesus Christ was not a Christian. Christianity was founded by people proclaiming to follow Christ. Christ's followers have certainly performed many evil acts including killing.
So you think Obama was sympathizing with terrorism when he said the following?
We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.
I think he should send John Kerry to talk to them since he campaigned on talking to our enemies. Maybe Kerry could bring James Taylor. Maybe all of the western nations so afraid of violating their political correctness laws could a send a contingent of their old folkies to sing to ISIS.
Yes...that is true....and Islam, like Christians, have to be allowed to work through their issues as Christians have been allowed to work through theirs and no non Christian force attempted to intervene and condemn the whole religion by the use of force.
Another point is this.....the Christians largely got what they wanted.....LAND AND RESOURCES, WEALTH. In other words, there actions began to produce diminishing returns....so they ended them, once they got out of those act what they wanted or needed.
Look, I'm certainly no Christian apologist. But in terms of whackjobness, Islam is less enlightened today than it was hundreds of years ago. It has reverted at some point... sometime much after it exerted its control over traditional Christian strongholds for hundreds of years. There was no outside force forcing change on Christianity during its growing stages because all other religious were similarly brutal and unenlightened.
Also, today we expect a faster learning curve and faster change -- from everyone. Islam is nothing more than an idea. A meta-idea full of smaller ideas, many of which are simply awful. It needs to be attacked full bore and undermined, just as Christianity was and is, without anyone wringing their hands about "condemning the entire religion."
It is no more acceptable to expect these people to shake off these abhorrent ideas "in their own time" than it is to make excuses for the KKK (ALSO a pseudo-religious ideology). Get with the times. The times are now.
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Slavery's necessity began to wane with the advent of the industrial revolution as the agrarian era was coming to an end and Machine power was rising....Slavery ended during this transition period.
Slavery actually was never really necessary. It was lazy and profitable. Had humanity reached the "slavery is bad" consciousness before colonization of the new world, the settlers would just have continued to underpay peasants and use a feudal system as had been done around the world for hundreds of years. It's easier to get folks to work for free if you can, however, so that's what was done.
You cannot discount the abolitionist contribution. Abolitionism --- the idea that slavery in and of itself is WRONG --- was an idea that arose only in the 1700s or so.
Prior "anti slavery" movements generally concerned people wanting THEIR people to be free. Not attacking the concept of slavery in and of itself as being wrong. This is a hugely important distinction.
The sad thing is that going back to the Crusades was totally unnecessary.
Christian tomfoolery has a far more recent past to draw from.
The good Christains of Germany and other parts of Europe seemed to rationalize the extermination of the Jewish , disabled and homosexual population.Terrorists are using similar recruiting strategies for youth as was done by the Nazis. The people knew.
Imagine the reaction in Europe had he used this example. Obviously, the omission of the obvious was intentional.
Invoking the Crusades was safe, albeit really goofy.
I recommend reading the entire transcript rather than focusing on out of context remarks or made up sensational headlines.
It was clear to the most casual observer that Obama condemned the terrorists.
You mean like the serial raping of young boys by Christian priests? And the coinciding cover ups by senior officials in the church?
Christians don't murder as much as they used to but it is still just organized sin. All religions are bad for the world except maybe Buddhism.
Yes. And when the church was criticized nobody worried about "condemning the entire religion" based on the actions of the "few."
It was discussed as, "this is an endemic problem, you aren't doing anything about it, so do something about it."
The only ones crying about brushing the entire of Catholicism with the same brush...were basically Catholics.
(Also, AFAIK the church didn't use ideology of the church or the bible to excuse or rationalize child molestation, they were just corrupt and negligent).
The good Christains of Germany and other parts of Europe seemed to rationalize the extermination of the Jewish , disabled and homosexual population.Terrorists are using similar recruiting strategies for youth as was done by the Nazis. The people knew.
Imagine the reaction in Europe had he used this example. Obviously, the omission of the obvious was intentional.
Invoking the Crusades was safe, albeit really goofy.
I recommend reading the entire transcript rather than focusing on out of context remarks or made up sensational headlines.
It was clear to the most casual observer that Obama condemned the terrorists.
The Nazis were a large political coalition of "Christians", agnostics, even mystics. Hitler, by most accounts agnostic in later life, used the church for political gain but also wanted to destroy it. They didn't yell "praise Jesus" as they exterminated people. And my Christian grandparents in eastern Europe lived through it all (barely) and can attest that as bad as the Nazis were, the atheist Russians were even more horrible in many instances.
Even so, our president isn't here to try to give us a flawed history lesson and lecture over events we (those alive now) had nothing to do with; he's supposed to be a leader. He's not acting like one. That may be okay with you, but others expect more from someone in the job.
Muhammed was a ruthless warrior that butchered innocent men, women and children in the name of Allah.
Jesus sacrificed himself for mankind.
Dear Leader's psychophants willing to swallow any verbal feces he tosses at them like hungry performing seals.
Muhammad was also a child molester
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