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I think Obama has finally lost me with this one. For years I've looked at things he's said that right wingers have foamed at the mouth over, calling him a Muslim Manchurian candidate, etc, and called them stupid. That kind of stuff still is stupid.
But what he's doing here, trying to create a moral relativism to a movement and an extremism that is supported by 10's of millions and is going on right now, I find disturbing.
I think Obama has finally lost me with this one. For years I've looked at things he's said that right wingers have foamed at the mouth over, calling him a Muslim Manchurian candidate, etc, and called them stupid. That kind of stuff still is stupid.
But what he's doing here, trying to create a moral relativism to a movement and an extremism that is supported by 10's of millions and is going on right now, I find disturbing.
It's stupid, and it belies history.
Americans are so quick to try to not offend, they forget history class.
And [MOD CUT/inappropriate] Muslims from the Middle East sacked, pillaged and conquered, enslaved and controlled European areas for much, much much longer periods of history than the Europeans ever did in reverse. Like, hundreds of years longer.
Show me what passage in the Bible tells christians to kill in the name of their religion.
Jesus Christ DIED for his religion.
Muhammad KILLED for his relgion.
There is no comparison. Barack is a terrorist sympathizer and should be impeached for giving "aid and comfort" to the enemy.
Jesus Christ was not a Christian. Christianity was founded by people proclaiming to follow Christ. Christ's followers have certainly performed many evil acts including killing.
So you think Obama was sympathizing with terrorism when he said the following?
We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.
Americans are so quick to try to not offend, they forget history class.
And [MOD CUT/inappropriate] Muslims from the Middle East sacked, pillaged and conquered, enslaved and controlled European areas for much, much much longer periods of history than the Europeans ever did in reverse. Like, hundreds of years longer.
I don't know about that.
Much longer than what the Europeans did in the Americas, Australia, Sub Saharan Africa, the Caribbean, and parts of Asia?
Ehhhhhhhhh...
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Jesus Christ was not a Christian. Christianity was founded by people proclaiming to follow Christ. Christ's followers have certainly performed many evil acts including killing.
So you think Obama was sympathizing with terrorism when he said the following?
We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.
Until Barack calls ISIS an "Islamic" organization, he is sympathizing with them.
By him going all the way back to the "crusades" to find an example, I would quote his Sec of State Hillary Clinton when she famously said "At this point, what difference does it make!".
... If the effort is to highlight how people wrongly use religion as a justification for horrid acts, the point is taken.
However, "self reflection on the past" is not necessary when facing this current enemy. Calling out hypocrites is important... when it's actually present-day. Not when long-fought battles have been fought to correct past behavior and attitudes, at least not here in America.
Because honestly, you want to start down that "you can't criticize if you have demons in your past" road, you (a prolific racial topics poster) are going to find yourself unable to criticize anything that's been done to black folks on account of what some black folks have done to oppress others in the past.
Circular logic.
Yes...that is true....and Islam, like Christians, have to be allowed to work through their issues as Christians have been allowed to work through theirs and no non Christian force attempted to intervene and condemn the whole religion by the use of force.
Another point is this.....the Christians largely got what they wanted.....LAND AND RESOURCES, WEALTH. In other words, there actions began to produce diminishing returns....so they ended them, once they got out of those act what they wanted or needed.
Slavery's necessity began to wane with the advent of the industrial revolution as the agrarian era was coming to an end and Machine power was rising....Slavery ended during this transition period.
Show me what passage in the Bible tells christians to kill in the name of their religion.
Jesus Christ DIED for his religion.
Muhammad KILLED for his relgion.
There is no comparison. Barack is a terrorist sympathizer and should be impeached for giving "aid and comfort" to the enemy.
The Crusades happened for the very reasons we are at war with Islam today.
Christians got tired of being massacred for not believing in a religion of death and hate.
Jesus Christ was not a Christian. Christianity was founded by people proclaiming to follow Christ. Christ's followers have certainly performed many evil acts including killing.
So you think Obama was sympathizing with terrorism when he said the following?
We see ISIL, a brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism -- terrorizing religious minorities like the Yezidis, subjecting women to rape as a weapon of war, and claiming the mantle of religious authority for such actions.
I don't believe he's a "sympathizer". What he is, is a bleeding heart liberal whose first instinct is find a way to point the finger at the US and the West because that's what they learned in college, and they love Noam Chomsky.
ISIL does not exist because racists in America hanged and burned some black people in the south 50 years ago, nor does that point of history make one speck of difference as to how brutal they and the people who support them are. The point he's making is completely irrelevant and serves no purpose other than to make other liberals nod their heads. I have many friends who are inclined this way too. Years of living amongst the hipsters will do that to you.
I think Obama has finally lost me with this one. For years I've looked at things he's said that right wingers have foamed at the mouth over, calling him a Muslim Manchurian candidate, etc, and called them stupid. That kind of stuff still is stupid.
But what he's doing here, trying to create a moral relativism to a movement and an extremism that is supported by 10's of millions and is going on right now, I find disturbing.
Having listened to the complete speech I did not see Obama attemptting to "create a moral relativism."
It seems to me that the critics of the speech are the ones making a moral relativism argument.
In my opinion, it is hard to argue with Obama assertion which was people distorting religion for evil deeds "is not unique to one group or one religion."
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