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Old 02-22-2015, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Raising minimum wage doesn't work.

Every dollar a minimum wage worker receives must have come out of somebody else’s pocket, either small business owners or their customers. The money for a higher minimum wage does not come from thin air.
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Minimum wage jobs are only worth minimum wage no matter what arbitrary number you want to assign it those jobs are never going to pay enough to support a family on.

Why does tap water cost less than dom perignon? Because it's common, easy to get and there's a hell of a lot more of it.

Why do minimum wage workers cost less than engineers? Because they're common, easy to find and there's a hell of a lot more of them.

The only people calling it 'high pay' are liberals trying to distort what conservatives are saying. $31k isn't high, but it's certainly far more than where minimum wage should be. Certified Veterinary technicians barely make that now they probably should be paid more, but they aren't. If you increase minimum wage to that then a large number of people who were already making that are going to deserve an increase and the new 'minimum' isn't going to be any better off.
Minimum wage is the least someone can pay you that probably wants to pay you less if they could. Minimum wage should keep up with inflation so that those making the least don't fall behind even more.

Your water analogy doesn't work here.

Same goes for an engineer to a minimum wage job, no one is saying a minimum wage job should be paid as much as an engineer.

That's funny, the first person I heard call $31K a high paid job for skilled workers was a conservative. Personally I think a yearly full time minimum wage job should be making no less than $24K a year, which is $12/hr.

What a Vet Tech makes now if minimum wage were increased would be between them and their employer if the employer wishes to pay them more. As you stated, they are already underpaid and my guess is they would stay being underpaid.
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Raising minimum wage doesn't work.

Every dollar a minimum wage worker receives must have come out of somebody else’s pocket, either small business owners or their customers. The money for a higher minimum wage does not come from thin air.
Every dollar any employee receives comes from someone else.....their employer. I thought that was common knowledge.
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:13 AM
 
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A business affords a $15.00 min.wage by never employing or laying off, those whose skill sets can only produce $14.99 (and less) of value per hour.
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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A business affords a $15.00 min.wage by never employing or laying off, those whose skill sets can only produce $14.99 (and less) of value per hour.
How exactly does one gauge the value of one's "skill set per hour?"
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Every dollar any employee receives comes from someone else.....their employer. I thought that was common knowledge.
With the higher minimum wage, some minimum wage workers would be lifted into unemployment rather than out of poverty, as their employers might no longer find it worth paying their wages.

I thought that was common knowledge as well, obviously not.
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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With the higher minimum wage, some minimum wage workers would be lifted into unemployment rather than out of poverty, as their employers might no longer find it worth paying their wages.

I thought that was common knowledge as well, obviously not.
That might happen, but seeing there hasn't been any major issue with unemployment climbing being directly tied to minimum wage going up, I don't see it being an issue. Besides, any increase wouldn't have an overnight jump, it would probably happen gradually like it has always been done.
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:46 AM
 
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That might happen, but seeing there hasn't been any major issue with unemployment climbing being directly tied to minimum wage going up, I don't see it being an issue. Besides, any increase wouldn't have an overnight jump, it would probably happen gradually like it has always been done.
Small increases, no. To $15? Wal-Mart already has self serve check out lines. It's not going to be difficult for McD's to install machines that you simply input your order into. A computer screen would work well with nearly everyone now used to them.
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Raising minimum wage doesn't work.

Every dollar a minimum wage worker receives must have come out of somebody else’s pocket, either small business owners or their customers. The money for a higher minimum wage does not come from thin air.
So what?....Every dollar of a minimum wage goes back into the economy, unlike many high wage earners income.
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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So what?....Every dollar of a minimum wage goes back into the economy, unlike many high wage earners income.
So what?

1. The reality that even if there was consensus on the need for minimum wage, the argument would move to what is a “fair hourly rate” from city to city. No federal law will ever be supported that does the “right and fair thing” by mandating a worker to receive $15 in Los Angeles and only a cost-adjusted $10.10 in Des Moines. each state should deal with its own problem, why 15 is the magic number? why not 20? why not 30?


2. Is the federal government’s efforts to control minimum wages constitutional ? . google

the Supreme Court in Adkins v. Children’s Hospital of District of Columbia.

3.Companies, like Walmart, don’t have to fire employees or cut back on hiring to deal with the minimum wage. They simply cut back on hours and manage their payroll costs with more part-time workers.

< already happening here > Let's not pretend raising minimum wage is the magic solution for poverty.
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