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Old 02-22-2015, 09:20 AM
 
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So when are you going to present evidence of all those scientists supposedly "falsifying data" instead of just parroting baseless crap from tabloid press articles and denier conspiracy blogs.
Of course we are all familiar with your 100% dependable, knee-jerk denials of literally everything that does not conform to the agenda that you are promoting as "baseless crap," etc.

Nevertheless, for anyone who is not devoutly closed-minded on this subject like you obviously are, here is some of the evidence you requested. Although not all by any means:

The scientists supporting the government funded AGW alarmism movement have been caught cooking the books, yet again:

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The Fiddling with Temperature Data is the Biggest Science Scandal Ever

New data shows that the “vanishing” of polar ice is not the result of runaway global warming

When future generations look back on the global-warming scare of the past 30 years, nothing will shock them more than the extent to which the official temperature records – on which the entire panic ultimately rested – were systematically “adjusted” to show the Earth as having warmed much more than the actual data justified.

....(More at the link)
Apparently the temperature data in South America, Canada and Siberia regions have been methodically adjusted by the scientists supporting the AGW alarmism movement. Of course those adjustments have all gone in the same direction, which is upwards. This seriously undermines the legitimacy of this data as a basis for claims in recent years that the Earth has been warmer than it has seemed to many people looking on from the outside.

This is a true rejection of science at its worst. If these people were trustworthy, then why would they not be able to simply use the accurate data and let the results be what they may? Obviously, because that would not support their alarmist agenda.
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:23 AM
 
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Except the science has long been debated and the evidence is overwhelming.
Except Willie got caught not declaring his "funding" in published papers.
Except Willie's 'science' has been shown to be pretty much just cherry-picked propaganda that he calls "deliverables" published in low impact rather obscure Journals.
"the evidence is overwhelming."

Great, you are saying even though "your side" was paid we should accept EVERYTHING they say because being paid had NO influence on what they reported.

"You can fool fool some of the people ALL of the time".
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Except the science has long been debated and the evidence is overwhelming.
Except Willie got caught not declaring his "funding" in published papers.
Except Willie's 'science' has been shown to be pretty much just cherry-picked propaganda that he calls "deliverables" published in low impact rather obscure Journals.
That's the story that AGW cultists like to promote..."the science is settled". Except it isn't. No experimental results exist to support the theory. Data that does exist has been "corrected" to show the results that warmers would like to present. And an increasing number of scientists, including former supporters, are examining the "science" and admitting that it is wrong. Everything the AGW cult likes to promote comes from a computer model. As someone that has done computer modeling, I actually know how difficult it is to account for all the variables involved and properly adjust the model to accurately model the system. The results are very dependent on the assumptions made in creating the model.

Mindlessly chanting "the science is settled" sounds a lot like the inquisition.
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Old 02-22-2015, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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The irony, of course, is the scientifically illiterate who listen to paid shills like this clown are the first ones to crow about some massive, perfectly orchestrated "conspiracy" amongst genuine climate research scientists. They are oblivious to the rationale of what they believe in, and why the "information" is derived.

Let's face it, you likely won't fix that type of stupid, all you can do is wait for it to die off and replace it with educated people.

Yet another reason the Dumbing Down of America is deliberate and calculated, and as this topic elicits, quite successful.
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:01 AM
 
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The irony, of course, is the scientifically illiterate who listen to paid shills like this clown are the first ones to crow about some massive, perfectly orchestrated "conspiracy" amongst genuine climate research scientists. They are oblivious to the rationale of what they believe in, and why the "information" is derived.

Let's face it, you likely won't fix that type of stupid, all you can do is wait for it to die off and replace it with educated people.

Yet another reason the Dumbing Down of America is deliberate and calculated, and as this topic elicits, quite successful.
you can say the same thing about the alarmists as well.
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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you can say the same thing about the alarmists as well.
No you can't, you are making a false equivalence. And you are basing your entire belief system on doubt and skepticism, which is derived based on a multitude of misconceptions, one of which is likely the garbage peddled by the subject of this thread, a corporate shill posing as a scientist.

My eyes are not lying, and neither are research scientists. You can live in your own fantasy world if you want to, it is a free country.
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:17 AM
 
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When will the AGW cult publish a summary of the taxpayer money stolen by it's 'scientists' for the past 15 years?
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:33 AM
 
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"Deniers" is a politically oriented term that he and other alarmists constantly use in an effort to try and be manipulative. What he has not noticed is that nobody really takes these sorts of assaults seriously.

It comes from people who have denied the holocaust. So, he and the alarmists that use this term are collectively trying to associate people who have doubts and concerns about this alarmist movement with Adolph Hitler and his murderous campaign against the Jews.

And the alarmists also like to complain about "conspiracy theories" by the way. {Pot meet kettle}
Thanks for your response although I'm not sure it answered my question. I googled & found this:

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What does religion have to do with climate science?

Radical religious activists promote the anti-science bills, in part, because they also seek to undermine the teaching of evolution – another issue that supposedly has "two sides", so schools should "teach the controversy". Now, you don't have to believe that Earth was created in six hectic days in order to be skeptical about climate science, but a large number of climate science deniers also happen to be evolution deniers.

What exactly is the theology of climate science denial? The Cornwall Alliance – a coalition whose list of signatories could double as a directory of major players in the religious right – has a produced a declaration asserting, as a matter of theology, that "there is no convincing scientific evidence that human contribution to greenhouse gases is causing dangerous global warming."
How the Religious Right Is Fueling Climate Change Denial | Alternet

& then this:

The Cornwall Declaration On Environmental Stewardship | Cornwall Alliance
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:49 AM
 
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So? The warmers all get money from the government, usually multiple governments. Is that supposed to be better or purer or something?
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Old 02-22-2015, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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So? The warmers all get money from the government, usually multiple governments. Is that supposed to be better or purer or something?
The difference is that science gets funded to find the truth, while the fossil fuel companies pay anyone they can find that will lie about that truth.
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