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Old 02-22-2015, 04:30 PM
 
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The irony, of course, is the scientifically illiterate who listen to paid shills like this clown are the first ones to crow about some massive, perfectly orchestrated "conspiracy" amongst genuine climate research scientists. They are oblivious to the rationale of what they believe in, and why the "information" is derived.

Let's face it, you likely won't fix that type of stupid, all you can do is wait for it to die off and replace it with educated people.

Yet another reason the Dumbing Down of America is deliberate and calculated, and as this topic elicits, quite successful.
"perfectly orchestrated "conspiracy" amongst genuine (your claim, not necessarily other's opinions) climate research scientists.

So, because YOU are NOT aware of the email scandle we should just ignore it.
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Old 02-22-2015, 04:33 PM
 
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The irony, of course, is the scientifically illiterate who listen to paid shills like this clown are the first ones to crow about some massive, perfectly orchestrated "conspiracy" amongst genuine climate research scientists. They are oblivious to the rationale of what they believe in, and why the "information" is derived.

Let's face it, you likely won't fix that type of stupid, all you can do is wait for it to die off and replace it with educated people.

Yet another reason the Dumbing Down of America is deliberate and calculated, and as this topic elicits, quite successful.
Your post fits YOU to a T

I am glad to see you have ACCEPTED how we feel about you.
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Old 02-22-2015, 04:57 PM
 
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Well, maybe the little ice age we're going into will be a little little ice age. Freezing cold winters are a pain but cooler summers aren't so bad.
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Old 02-23-2015, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Well, maybe the little ice age we're going into will be a little little ice age. Freezing cold winters are a pain but cooler summers aren't so bad.
What freezing cold winters?

I took this photo today....

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Old 02-23-2015, 01:14 AM
 
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I don't waste my time reading the drivel the slimes prints.
Of course you do, you regurgitate drivel by slimes all the time on this topic.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:25 AM
 
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While I agree with you, I think it's ridiculous.

Religious deniers? Religionists have the right to their religious beliefs, although extending these rights to the realms of scientific endeavors is ludicrous.

I'm just curious, what's the rationale of the religious deniers?
The rationale is that they believe God created the earth for men to dominate and made it 'perfectly' so that humans couldn't stuff it up. They also believe that the story of Noah's Ark and the global flood literally happened and that God promised never to flood the earth again - hence rainbows were created as a 'promise'.

They believe in Biblically based 'science'.

I kid you not.

There are a handful of 'scientists' like Roy Spencer who are signatories of the Cornwall Alliance "Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming" which states:
"We believe Earth and its ecosystems – created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence – are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth’s climate system is no exception. Recent global warming is one of many natural cycles of warming and cooling in geologic history"

"We call on our fellow Christians to practice creation stewardship out of Biblical conviction, adoration for our Creator, and love for our fellow man—especially the poor.
We call on Christian leaders to understand the truth about climate change and embrace Biblical thinking..."
The Biblical Perspective of Environmental Stewardship: Subduing and Ruling the Earth to the Glory of God and the Benefit of Our Neighbors
"Earth and all its subsystems—of land, sea, and air, living and nonliving—are the good products of the wise design and omnipotent acts of the infinite, eternal, and unchangeable Triune God of the Bible. As such they reveal God’s glory. Mankind, created in God’s image, is the crown of creation.

Human beings have the divine mandate to multiply and to fill, subdue, and rule the Earth, transforming it from wilderness into garden. They act as stewards under God to cultivate and guard what they subdue and rule. Calling them to be His vicegerents over the Earth, God requires obedience to His laws—in Scripture and imprinted in the human conscience—in their stewardship.

Although sin, universal among mankind, deeply mars this stewardship, God’s redemptive act in Jesus Christ’s death on the cross and His instructive activity through Scripture, communicating the nature of creation and human responsibility for it, enable people to create wealth and decrease poverty at the same time that they pursue creation stewardship and, even more important, the true spiritual wealth of knowing their Creator through Jesus Christ.

The Biblical worldview contrasts sharply with the environmentalist worldview—whether secular or religious—in many significant ways..."
Cornwall Alliance :: Articles :: Renewed Call to Truth


You can see who some of the members are here:

Who We Are | Cornwall Alliance

edited to add. I see you already did your own research into this.

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Old 02-23-2015, 01:27 AM
 
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"Deniers" is a politically oriented term that he and other alarmists constantly use in an effort to try and be manipulative. What he has not noticed is that nobody really takes these sorts of assaults seriously.

It comes from people who have denied the holocaust. So, he and the alarmists that use this term are collectively trying to associate people who have doubts and concerns about this alarmist movement with Adolph Hitler and his murderous campaign against the Jews.

And the alarmists also like to complain about "conspiracy theories" by the way. {Pot meet kettle}
No, the word denier is used when people deny something. Like climate science or evolution.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:33 AM
 
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Of course we are all familiar with your 100% dependable, knee-jerk denials of literally everything that does not conform to the agenda that you are promoting as "baseless crap," etc.

Nevertheless, for anyone who is not devoutly closed-minded on this subject like you obviously are, here is some of the evidence you requested. Although not all by any means:

The scientists supporting the government funded AGW alarmism movement have been caught cooking the books, yet again:

Apparently the temperature data in South America, Canada and Siberia regions have been methodically adjusted by the scientists supporting the AGW alarmism movement. Of course those adjustments have all gone in the same direction, which is upwards. This seriously undermines the legitimacy of this data as a basis for claims in recent years that the Earth has been warmer than it has seemed to many people looking on from the outside.

This is a true rejection of science at its worst. If these people were trustworthy, then why would they not be able to simply use the accurate data and let the results be what they may? Obviously, because that would not support their alarmist agenda.

So still no actual evidence for your hysterical conspiracy claims? How surprising, not.

It's ironic that people like you who call themselves 'skeptics', gullibly swallow whatever some anti-science blogger or tabloid press journalist tells them without ever bothering to check the facts.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:34 AM
 
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Soon has been a known paid denier for quite some time now, but it's nice to see that there is finally proof and that the newspapers are actually paying attention.

Here's the same story in case someone's article limit has been reached:

Contrarian Scientist Who Says Sun is Responsible for Global Warming is Accused of Taking Corporate Cash for Science - ImaGeo

And here he is denying away in a lecture... and also being defended by the notoriously unscientific denier blog Wattsupwiththat:

Dr. Willie Soon Guest Comment: ‘Is What I Say Beyond the Boundaries of Reasonable Discussion?’ | Watts Up With That?

Lies, lies and more lies.

Nearly ALL deniers are bought... the rest just want attention.
It's a fact.

$1.2 million though... wow.
How exactly do you know it's a fact? What is a fact is that you have no possible way on Earth to know that nearly all deniers are bought or that the rest just want attention. It is humanly impossible for you to know that. Therefore, your declaration of it as a fact only serves to bolster the deniers' case.

I mean here you are trying to discredit deniers by stating something as fact that you couldn't possibly know is a fact. So the one discredited here is you, not them. The only person shown by your post to be engaging in lies is you yourself.

In the future I would encourage you to put a little more thought into what exactly you declare as fact, and how it impacts your own credibility. Which right now is zero.
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Old 02-23-2015, 01:38 AM
 
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That's the story that AGW cultists like to promote..."the science is settled". Except it isn't. No experimental results exist to support the theory. Data that does exist has been "corrected" to show the results that warmers would like to present. And an increasing number of scientists, including former supporters, are examining the "science" and admitting that it is wrong. Everything the AGW cult likes to promote comes from a computer model. As someone that has done computer modeling, I actually know how difficult it is to account for all the variables involved and properly adjust the model to accurately model the system. The results are very dependent on the assumptions made in creating the model.

Mindlessly chanting "the science is settled" sounds a lot like the inquisition.
This sounds just like the ignorant ramblings from posters on an anti-science denier conspiracy blog like WUWT. You should fit in well there.
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