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Old 03-05-2015, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Original intent is exactly what this is all about. There was nothing in the bill to indicate the intent, was to subsidize who they are subsidizing. In fact just the opposite. if the federal government was to just start subsidizing the whole nation, then the crossing state lines would come into play and thus disqualify the notion that policies cant cross states.

There was always supposed to be a federal exchange, and if the Supreme Court wants to know the original intent of the law, all they have to do is ask the congressman who passed it.

Even conservatives, who unanimously voted against Obamacare, were silent on this particular issue.

This is a frivolous lawsuit at best.
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Old 03-05-2015, 02:43 PM
 
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Personally I don't care that much so long as they don't try to bring back that idiotic "pre-existing condition" hogwash. What a load. Hardworking independent people should have the right to purchase insurance on the same footing as government and corporate employees.
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Old 03-05-2015, 02:43 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Now because 37 states opted out, their citizens are at risk of losing subsidies that are keeping them afloat.
You can thank Democrats for that. They wrote the law to specifically have exactly that effect.
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Old 03-05-2015, 02:45 PM
 
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And why werent the liberal kooks concerned about people losing their insurance because of ACA?
Why arent they concerned that 30+ million will go without insurance post ACA?
That's what I'd like to know.

Remember the "If you like your plan, you can keep it" lie?
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Old 03-05-2015, 02:49 PM
 
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Then if that is the case and the Supreme Court interprets it that way in their decision I hope that the white southerns who lose coverage and can't pay for it go to the voting booths and vote out their state politicians
I doubt that will happen. According to liberals, White southerners are on welfare and would already have Medicaid anyway.
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Old 03-05-2015, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Whether one has insurance or welfare, the cost is the cost. They pay off the same reinbursement schedules.

And why werent the liberal kooks concerned about people losing their insurance because of ACA?
Why arent they concerned that 30+ million will go without insurance post ACA?

The whole left wing hypocracy is astounding..

We started with 36 million uninsured, we're now over 40 million, so if 8 million of them are insured only because they receive subsidies, this means ACA caused 12 million people to lose policies..

Not a peep during that whole process.. nope, Democrats applaud.. "we're insuring more people, look at everyone on welfrae", while ignoring those who lost private policies...
Stop lying.

Obamacare Goes to Court As Uninsured Rate Drops to New Low | The Fiscal Times


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...the uninsured rate for the first quarter of the year has dwindled down to 12.3 percent among adults. That’s the lowest rate on record in recent history—and the president’s health care law deserves much of the credit, pollsters say.
Gallup-Heathway is considered the gold standard in measuring our rate of uninsured, and 12.3% is the lowest since they've been keeping track.
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Old 03-05-2015, 02:52 PM
 
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Then if that is the case and the Supreme Court interprets it that way in their decision I hope that the white southerns who lose coverage and can't pay for it go to the voting booths and vote out their state politicians out and replace them with those are willing to open up state exchanges to allow for the subsidies to return. I hope that works for you.
Did you share the same compassion for those who lost insurance due to ACA's passage? Please point out a few postings of you sharing your concern because I'd like to read about it.
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Old 03-05-2015, 02:53 PM
 
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In all seriousness, the specific language in the ACA along with the clear definition of "State" stated very exactly, plus Gruber's multiple taped speeches indicating the intent was EXACTLY as the law states: to exclude those purchasing insurance from the federal exchange from subsidies... How can SCOTUS possibly rule otherwise? It would be highly unethical to do so, and everyone knows it.
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Old 03-05-2015, 02:55 PM
 
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Stop lying.

Obamacare Goes to Court As Uninsured Rate Drops to New Low | The Fiscal Times

Gallup-Heathway is considered the gold standard in measuring our rate of uninsured, and 12.3% is the lowest since they've been keeping track.
Why would you start counting Post ACA? Thats pretty asinine.. In fact, your link shows they started 4th Quarter 2014..

Obama HIMSELF said we needed to pass ACA in order to insure the 32 million uninsured AMERICANS..

The CBO said we'd never get below 30 million uninsured

Can you do the math on the net decrease, at a cost of $2 Trillion over 10 years

Come on, you're smart enough..

And since we're now talking about 8 million who might lose subsidies.. this is a net loss of how many privately insured individuals? Come on.. baby steps.. you can do it...
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Old 03-05-2015, 02:59 PM
 
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There was always supposed to be a federal exchange, and if the Supreme Court wants to know the original intent of the law, all they have to do is ask the congressman who passed it.

Even conservatives, who unanimously voted against Obamacare, were silent on this particular issue.

This is a frivolous lawsuit at best.
Federal exchanges werent supposed to be subsidized. This was to create an incentive to the states to create their own because they could get hundreds of millions, while at the same time, the federal governments obligations decreased over time as federal revenues increased due to people paying a tax to not have insurance.

Thats how they were able to calculate ACA would create a "surplus" when everyone knew it wouldnt. It passes the obligations onto the states, and thus the taxpayers while the federal government would collect tax revenues.

In fact the whole "surplus" argument, should have indicated to most people that ACA was designed to fail. You cant tax people who are insured. It relied upon people NOT getting insurance.

Democrats fell for every dam talking point lie because their stupid.
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