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Old 03-04-2015, 01:36 PM
 
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Yes. That's exactly what we're saying.
Then you sir need to get out more. There is a whole world of diversity out there that you are unaware of.

 
Old 03-04-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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Without a desire to change?
And let me guess, asking Jesus will provide me with the requisite level of desire necessary to change from gay to straight.
 
Old 03-04-2015, 01:39 PM
 
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And let me guess, asking Jesus will provide me with the requisite level of desire necessary to change from gay to straight.
I'm afraid not. There are reasons one is gay and the circumstances of those reasons would have to change, if they are deeply embedded in your psyche it would be very difficult to change, for some people maybe impossible without huge life altering events.
 
Old 03-04-2015, 01:40 PM
 
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Hetero by birth, gay by choice
No. Hetero by birth, rapists by choice.
 
Old 03-04-2015, 01:41 PM
 
Location: NYC based - Used to Live in Philly - Transplant from Miami
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So what if it's a choice?
That does not mean homosexuals should be denied their civil rights. A lot of folks think alcoholism is a choice too, but drunks can still go vote, live anywhere they want, or work a job they can do.

Fee choice is part of everyone's civil rights. Equlity is equality. there are no conditions, preferences, or restrictions on liberty, and freedom is the only way everyone is equal. Freedom does not have conditions attached.

it doesn't matter if homosexuality is genetic or a choice at all. Either all of us are free and at liberty to live our lives peacefully as we please or not. There is no middle ground.
A very good point!
 
Old 03-04-2015, 01:44 PM
 
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And let me guess, asking Jesus will provide me with the requisite level of desire necessary to change from gay to straight.
Further I cant imagine you having any reason to change, one can live a very fulfilling life as a out gay man in the 21st century.
 
Old 03-04-2015, 01:45 PM
 
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I'm afraid not.
Well, you did say that the ability to change sexual orientation depends on one's level of desire. What level of desire is required to effectuate a change in sexual orientation?

I've known MANY gay people who, because they couldn't change their sexual orientation, tried (and in some instances succeeded) to kill themselves.

If your desire to change your sexuality is greater than even your desire to continue living, and that desire still isn't enough to actually change your sexuality, then what level of desire is???
 
Old 03-04-2015, 01:47 PM
 
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Well, you did say that the ability to change sexual orientation depends on one's level of desire. What level of desire is required to effectuate a change in sexual orientation?

I've known MANY gay people who, because they couldn't change their sexual orientation, tried (and in some instances succeeded) to kill themselves.

If your desire to change your sexuality is greater than even your desire to continue living, and that desire still isn't enough to actually change your sexuality, then what level of desire is???
Obviously they had other issues going on, a suicidal person isn't exactly the model of emotional health.
 
Old 03-04-2015, 01:47 PM
 
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Without a desire to change? Of course not. But if some billionaire wanted to marry me, probably.
OK assuming you are a man.
So say a male billionaire is attarcted to you and want to marry you, you probably want to change your sexual orientation?
And does it mean when you marry him you will not be attracted to female anymore?
I know deep inside your heart you will say that you would still be attracted to female.
 
Old 03-04-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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Further I cant imagine you having any reason to change, one can live a very fulfilling life as a out gay man in the 21st century.
I've had a very strong desire to not be gay most of my life. And despite 15+ years of prayer, it has never happened. You are absolutely clueless.
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