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While Medicare recipients paid into the program, their contributions are no where near the level of benefits they are receiving. If you gave them the highest possible credit for the contributions they made, say $3000 per year for 50 years, that would equal $150,000 and they didn't come anywhere near contributing that much.
If you gave that back to them and said, "Here you go, go shop and pay for your own health care for the rest of your lives", they'd be lucky if that money lasted 10 years. A 65 year old with a bad hip, heart trouble and high blood pressure is going to be lucky to find a plan for $1000 a month. If they have a serious health event, it won't last five or ten years. Then what happens to the 70 year old with no health coverage?
Medicare recipients are expecting those younger than they are to pay for them and to pay for all their operations, Medicare Part D, all of it for 25 or 30 years. Yet they are calling those younger and still working, "takers and thieves" and Obamacare as socialism. This is convenient, considering these same working people are paying for this older generation.
I receive no Obamacare benefits due to my income. But I don't resent those who do because I want everyone to have health coverage. What I'm seeing though, is the huge hypocrisy by Medicare recipients who paid very little in comparison to the very expensive benefits they get. Remember, Medicare recipients paid nothing when it began. They qualified based on age alone.
It would be interesting to see a 75 year old shopping for health coverage on the open market. Remember with Republicans wanted to voucherize Medicare? I was against it because I worried for the elderly. But the elderly are worried about you, only themselves. So let's end it, voucherize it, do whatever it takes to put everyone on an even playing field. If socialism is bad, it's bad for everyone.
Then, I guess, we need to look at ending public education too because everyone pays for schools and not everyone has children.
While Medicare recipients paid into the program, their contributions are no where near the level of benefits they are receiving. If you gave them the highest possible credit for the contributions they made, say $3000 per year for 50 years, that would equal $150,000 and they didn't come anywhere near contributing that much.
If you gave that back to them and said, "Here you go, go shop and pay for your own health care for the rest of your lives", they'd be lucky if that money lasted 10 years. A 65 year old with a bad hip, heart trouble and high blood pressure is going to be lucky to find a plan for $1000 a month. If they have a serious health event, it won't last five or ten years. Then what happens to the 70 year old with no health coverage?
Medicare recipients are expecting those younger than they are to pay for them and to pay for all their operations, Medicare Part D, all of it for 25 or 30 years. Yet they are calling those younger and still working, "takers and thieves" and Obamacare as socialism. This is convenient, considering these same working people are paying for this older generation.
I receive no Obamacare benefits due to my income. But I don't resent those who do because I want everyone to have health coverage. What I'm seeing though, is the huge hypocrisy by Medicare recipients who paid very little in comparison to the very expensive benefits they get. Remember, Medicare recipients paid nothing when it began. They qualified based on age alone.
It would be interesting to see a 75 year old shopping for health coverage on the open market. Remember with Republicans wanted to voucherize Medicare? I was against it because I worried for the elderly. But the elderly are worried about you, only themselves. So let's end it, voucherize it, do whatever it takes to put everyone on an even playing field. If socialism is bad, it's bad for everyone.
Then, I guess, we need to look at ending public education too because everyone pays for schools and not everyone has children.
Your Government Education is finite. It ends at high school. And since you made the mistake of using that as an example,
look at the poor outcome students get considering the car loads of money we throw at it.
What do you plan on calling this idea? AMWORKS has a nice ring to it.
Republicans are against welfare? What do you call a 65 year old that gets $200,000 worth of medical care the first year they qualify, with another 25 to 30 years of coverage coming to the when they paid, at best, maybe $100-150K?
That is absolutely taking money out of the pockets of the younger generation! Medicare is not a benefit funded by those that receive it. It's no where close to that.
If the younger generation stood up to those Medicare recipients and said, "fine, let's give you your money back and you go shop for insurance like we are".
Every Medicare recipient is receiving the most generous welfare of all. They are not getting paltry $800. a month benefits. They are getting $100,000 operations. But that, they are fine with because it's for them.
Where were these elderly people, so opposed to welfare, when Medicare Part D became law?
Under your plan the elderly will just end up on Obamacare receiving subsidies or Medicaid.
Glad to hear you want everyone to have health care.
As a homeowner, for decades I have paid thousands to educate the children in my county even though I do not, nor will I in the future have children. It is civic responsibility. Your neighbors are paying to educate your children. Even some of those evil old people. smh
Your Government Education is finite. It ends at high school. And since you made the mistake of using that as an example,
look at the poor outcome students get considering the car loads of money we throw at it.
My education likely far exceeds yours. And I'm willing to give up Medicare if it's equal and all recipients give up theirs. They can get credits for what they paid in until the amount they contributed (plus interest) runs out. You will be shocked at how fast the money will run out. Or maybe you won't be.
I find it very funny how much Medicare recipients love their Medicare while watching Fox News and yelling about Obamacare. They don't mind how much money they are sucking up in Medicare benefits.
You want to talk about education? Calculate the amount the average Medicare recipient contributed and compare it to the coverage they are receiving over 25 to 30 years. The math doesn't work. They absolutely need the younger generation to pay for them. Yet they are calling the younger generation thieves and takers while they take the money out of the pockets of the same younger generation.
My education likely far exceeds yours. And I'm willing to give up Medicare if it's equal and all recipients give up theirs. They can get credits for what they paid in until the amount they contributed (plus interest) runs out. You will be shocked at how fast the money will run out. Or maybe you won't be.
I find it very funny how much Medicare recipients love their Medicare while watching Fox News and yelling about Obamacare. They don't mind how much money they are sucking up in Medicare benefits.
You want to talk about education? Calculate the amount the average Medicare recipient contributed and compare it to the coverage they are receiving over 25 to 30 years. The math doesn't work. They absolutely need the younger generation to pay for them. Yet they are calling the younger generation thieves and takers while they take the money out of the pockets of the same younger generation.
Most people are not living to age 95. It is a beautiful spring day. Go out and enjoy it. One day you will be old. Don't waste your youth being angry.
Under your plan the elderly will just end up on Obamacare receiving subsidies or Medicaid.
Glad to hear you want everyone to have health care.
As a homeowner, for decades I have paid thousands to educate the children in my county even though I do not, nor will I in the future have children. It is civic responsibility. Your neighbors are paying to educate your children. Even some of those evil old people. smh
I do want everyone to have health care. But if socialism is bad, if people are going to be deemed "takers and thieves" for getting health coverage, then the biggest program is Medicare. If Republicans want to kill Obamacare, they should kill Medicare as well because Medicare comes no where near paying for itself.
Medicare recipients would definitely fall in the "takers" category considering they get far more than they put in.
Most people are not living to age 95. It is a beautiful spring day. Go out and enjoy it. One day you will be old. Don't waste your youth being angry.
But many are and some even longer. I said 25 to 30 years. Many, many are living to their late 80s.
I'm not angry at all. I'm very objectively saying, be consistent.
If socialism is bad, if Republicans are against one taking the money of another, if they are going to call those receiving subsidies "takers and thieves" then they should end Medicare because that program very much depends on taking the money of those younger and still working. Medicare is not funded by those receiving the benefits, not even close.
We all know this is one of these 'gotcha' posts. But, I'll surprise. I'd gladly time the 150K, or whatever the figure happened to be. This old codger is in enviable health and can invest the money to my benefit. Same goes for a social security settlement. As is, SS is a very poorly constructed annuity.
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It is a beautiful spring day. Go out and enjoy it. One day you will be old. Don't waste your youth being angry.