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Old 03-17-2015, 05:09 PM
 
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I'll tell you why that is. Because Republicans really hate Medicare and Social Security but seniors tend to vote Republican. If seniors lose their benefits, I see it as poetic justice. I won't cry for them at all. Paul Ryan can give them a coupon and they can pay the rest.
Medicare and Social Security are purchased obligations. That has to be there for those who have paid for it. We have to stop giving to those who have not paid in until we have something in excess to give them.
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Old 03-17-2015, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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We are the 3rd largest nation in the world with the largest economy. What else you got?
Even if you reckon that military spending should be proportional to economy size (I'm not sure why), our spending is STILL way out of proportion. Take a look (not that YOU are interested or anything):



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Old 03-17-2015, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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LOL. Quick, post a graph....i am not your google monkey. If you want to make a point, make the effort.

Defense spending as a percent of GDP is at historical lows. Entitlement spending at record highs.
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Old 03-17-2015, 05:12 PM
 
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Medicare and Social Security are purchased obligations. That has to be there for those who have paid for it. We have to stop giving to those who have not paid in until we have something in excess to give them.
Medicare is not paid for. The people who are receiving it are getting much much more than they paid in. So Republicans are taking it away. Seniors shouldn't mind since they typically vote Republican so what goes around comes around.
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Old 03-17-2015, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Even if you reckon that military spending should be proportional to economy size (I'm not sure why), our spending is STILL way out of proportion. Take a look (not that YOU are interested or anything):




Post the "important notes in the accompanying table" and we can talk.
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Old 03-17-2015, 05:15 PM
 
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Medicare is not paid for. The people who are receiving it are getting much much more than they paid in. So Republicans are taking it away. Seniors shouldn't mind since they typically vote Republican so what goes around comes around.
Workers were forced to pay the premiums so it is an obligation to those who paid into it. Take away Medicaid which was not paid into until there is enough money in excess to do it again.
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Old 03-17-2015, 05:20 PM
 
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Defense spending as a percent of GDP is at historical lows. Entitlement spending at record highs.
Gosh....

Defense: 18%
Social security: 24%
medicare, medicaid, CHIP, ACA: 24%
safety net programs(welfare and more) 11%
Interest on debt: 7%
retiree and veteran benefits: 8%
Misc: 8%

And military spending has been much lower in the past. Per capita is even uglier.

Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And yes...GASP...massive depressions DO cause spikes in the safety net, along with the baby boomers hitting retirement. imagine that
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Old 03-17-2015, 05:20 PM
 
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Workers were forced to pay the premiums so it is an obligation to those who paid into it. Take away Medicaid which was not paid into until there is enough money in excess to do it again.
Do you want to end Medicaid? Let's do that. 21% of Medicaid participants are seniors and that doesn't include the seniors in nursing homes also paid for by Medicaid.

Medicaid Moving Forward | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

But sure, go ahead, I don't care.

Can you get Medicaid and Medicare at the same time? - AgingCare.com

While Medicaid was created mostly to provide medical care to low-income moms and their kids, two out of every three Medicaid dollars is spent on the elderly and disabled. Last year, the program spent one-third of its budget — more than $100 billion federal dollars — on long-term care, either in nursing facilities or in the community. States, which share the program’s cost, spent tens of billions more.

What Medicaid Cuts Will Mean For Seniors And Others With Disabilities (Guest Opinion) | Kaiser Health News
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Old 03-17-2015, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Gosh....

Defense: 18%
Social security: 24%
medicare, medicaid, CHIP, ACA: 24%
safety net programs(welfare and more) 11%
Interest on debt: 7%
retiree and veteran benefits: 8%
Misc: 8%

And military spending has been much lower in the past. Per capita is even uglier.

Military budget of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And yes...GASP...massive depressions DO cause spikes in the safety net, along with the baby boomers hitting retirement. imagine that

Gosh, I said "percent of GDP", not percent of budget.
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Old 03-17-2015, 05:26 PM
 
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In the past I have said over and over single payer was the far better choice. Medicare for all would be better. Not being able to get those, the ACA is a poor compromise.....but better then nothing.
Except its not better than nothing, which is my biggest problem with it.

You start with 32 million uninsured, you spend $1.7 trillion, and not expected to go below 30 million uninsured..
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