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Old 04-05-2015, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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So he didn't lie...he was just incompetent.
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Old 04-05-2015, 05:04 PM
 
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So he didn't lie...he was just incompetent.
That seems like a reasonable summation.

While you can certainly argue that the war was of dubious value in terms of US interests, the peace was certainly poorly run.

In the simplest terms, I can imagine two more reasonable scenarios:

1) US asks to examine Iraqi WMD site.
2) Iraq refuses
3) US blows up site
4) Go to 1, wash rinse repeat

or


1)US invades country
2) US loses 100 or so soldiers
3) US installs it's own SOB to run country (perhaps the number 2 or 3 Ba'ath Party member)

Anything but this implies that an Arab country is capable of installing and running a 1st World democracy. A crazy idea to be sure.
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Old 04-05-2015, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The cost is much higher than 806 billion, although in itself is a significant figure.

The Iraq War Could Cost More Than $6 Trillion - Business Insider
I didn't click your link but have seen others like them. These are made-up numbers, as you can tell by the fact that they are all over the map:
Iraq war cost: $6 trillion. What else could have been done? - latimes
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/04/stiglitz200804
Study: Iraq War Cost 190K Lives, $2.2 Trillion | Military.com

The cost according to the Congressional Research Service was $806 billion. That was a tally of actual dollars spent. Some of these studies have included in 'cost' such things as impact of the war on oil prices and resulting cost to the US consumer.

As you say, $806 billion is itself a significant amount, so why the need to make stuff up?
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Old 04-05-2015, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Texas
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while squandering trillions of dollars, just like Republicans want to do in Iran.
The republicans? Then why doesn't Obama bring the troops home? That's one of his roles.
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Old 04-05-2015, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Liberal myth: George W. Bush lied about WMD to start the Iraq war.
Hopefully we, as a nation, use this opportunity to learn something and don't this again in Iran.

[and no more nation-building...]
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Old 04-05-2015, 06:56 PM
 
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No, GW Bush did not lie. He was given intel from the CIA and other agencies. He went on that intel, which any President would do.

Was the intel bad? Don't know for sure, but what was bad was the premise that the US needs to be the muscle and teeth in any UN resolution (which Saddam was violating, or at least stonewalling inspections).

Iraq should have kept their petty dictator. He was contained. However since we did invaded, we needed to have finished the job. Obama pulling the troops out, allowed the situation on the ground to spiral. Is 10 years a long time for the US to have troops stationed in a country? Try Germany, Japan, South Korea..... 65 years and counting....
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Old 04-05-2015, 06:59 PM
 
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he got same intelligence briefing as the democratic leadership got who push members to support the war by yes vote. In most liberal experts and even Un inspectors thought the same as most predicted heavy casualities to like 20K; most from there use. One of one our main problems was since the Church commission we had little human intelligence capability. I fact many would say since he left things in middle east have gotten worse. basically no one pays much attention to Obama since his redline and evne our allies in region are acting on their own; not just Israel.
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Old 04-05-2015, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The intel of the time was definitely poor. The CIA had little to no sources inside of Iraq. They were dependent on satellite imagery.

Early in the invasion, the CIA thought that they had located Saddam at a place called Dora Farms outside of Baghdad. The CIA had determined that Saddam had an underground bunker there. An F-117 bomber attack was quickly planned and launched. The F-117 attack struck dead center. They figured sure that they had taken out Saddam right there. One senior officer greeted the pilots upon return telling them, "Bitchin', dudes, bitchin."

When the ground forces later reached Dora Farms they found no bunker, only an empty field that had been bombed.
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Old 04-05-2015, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The intel of the time was definitely poor. The CIA had little to no sources inside of Iraq. They were dependent on satellite imagery.

Early in the invasion, the CIA thought that they had located Saddam at a place called Dora Farms outside of Baghdad. The CIA had determined that Saddam had an underground bunker there. An F-117 bomber attack was quickly planned and launched. The F-117 attack struck dead center. They figured sure that they had taken out Saddam right there. One senior officer greeted the pilots upon return telling them, "Bitchin', dudes, bitchin."

When the ground forces later reached Dora Farms they found no bunker, only an empty field that had been bombed.
Your first two sentences is what Bush lied about, if we didn't have good intel, then we shouldn't have been invading countries for no reason. The Bush administration made up a reason to attack Iraq.
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Old 04-05-2015, 07:21 PM
 
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The WMDs are no where to be found, still to this day. The debacle known as the Iraq and Afghan War has led to nothing more than ISIS.....the Khemer Rouge of the 2010s.
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