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You do not seem to understand what a "right" is. We have a "right" to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It has become fashionable as of late to characterize seemingly everything under the sun as a "right". But that just cheapens the very concept of what a right is.
If marriage were a "right," then surely you have the "right" to marry your mother, your brother, your housecat AND your iphone. It's a right, according to you. Which means you have a fundamental claim on this that nobody can deny within the law.
If everything is a right, then what difference does having that designation make? Yeah, it is a right {yawn} so what. Here, it is being taken away from you anyway, and nobody will care, because the term has been so diluted that people cannot even keep up with them all.
This is what you are doing here by trying to characterize everything as a "right". And no, marriage is not a "right".
Rights are never absolute my friend. Your right to liberty does not mean you can not be restricted. And Hammer is correct, Marriage is considered a fundamental right in the United States. Your are swimming against the rip tide with this one.
Any "court" that places the rules of man above the laws of God is corrupt.
Then YHWH needs to run for office in the United States. Until then he has zero say in our political process. We are not and never will be a theocracy. If you want that then move to Antarctica and form one.
Isn't it funny how one can frame things. It's equally as true to say that the 9th Circuit is the least overturned Circuit Court in the US.
The 9th does have the most decisions overturned, but as a percentage of decisions overturned, it's the least reversed court. The 9th Circuit hears twice as many cases as the next largest Circuit Court, and 13 times as many cases as the smallest Circuit Court.
Simple answer - because in the 1860's two men having sex with each other was a criminal act everywhere in the US, punishable by death in some places (although the last person executed in the US for being gay took place in 1802).
Nonsense. Same-sex marriage bans exclude gay couples from civil marriage law. That's as easy as 1+1=2.
It also battles for the top spot with the 6th and the 5th most years.
All the Sexually repressed and/or conflicted Right Wingers KNOW how they are going to rule ... that's why they are trying to pass all these "Freedom of [Religion] Bigotry" laws... I don't like YOUR lifestyle so we are going to BAN it by Federal Constitutional Amendment ... but we are for SMALL limited Government intervention in OUR lives.
Any "court" that places the rules of man above the laws of God is corrupt.
Which of "God's" laws ?? The ones where you MUST execute your bride if it turns out she isn't a virgin on your wedding night? EXECUTE your neighbor for working on the Sabbath? How many Christians that had a Ham dinner for Easter are up for execution? Better take a peak at the label on your clothes...
Yes, the harassment of business owners is a disturbing trend, and I hope the SC considers that in their decision making. Clearly LGBT community has zero tolerance for anyone who is not 100% supporter of the their agenda. The business owners religious rights must be protected.
HEY another "Agenda" poster .... PLEASE explain to me what the F this is ??? You own a business you have NO control over who purchases your product? Wasn't this decided in the 60's?
There is nothing corrupt about it. You just disagree with the ruling they might make is all.
I said the COURT is corrupt the ruling is just stupid.
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Then YHWH needs to run for office in the United States. Until then he has zero say in our political process. We are not and never will be a theocracy. If you want that then move to Antarctica and form one.
Nah that's lobbyists,and whatever special cause the resident cultural marxists have taken up today.Common sense and truth and facts long went out the door when it comes to law making in America.
Any man (or woman) of legal age can marry any one person they want of the opposite sex as long as they are not a close relative.
That is equal protection. No one is excluded.
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Isn't it funny how one can frame things. It's equally as true to say that the 9th Circuit is the least overturned Circuit Court in the US. The 9th does have the most decisions overturned, but as a percentage of decisions overturned, it's the least reversed court. The 9th Circuit hears twice as many cases as the next largest Circuit Court, and 13 times as many cases as the smallest Circuit Court.
Percent reversed is where you can play games. If two circuits only had one case reviewed each and they were overturned they'd both have a 100% reversal rate. That percent tells you nothing. That they only had one case might tell you something.
But when the 9th has 7 cases before the SCOTUS and 6 are reversed, that tells you the 9th is out of step.
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Simple answer - because in the 1860's two men having sex with each other was a criminal act everywhere in the US, punishable by death in some places (although the last person executed in the US for being gay took place in 1802).
But surely the Equal Protection Clause would have made all the laws against homosexual sex invalid.
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Nonsense. Same-sex marriage bans exclude gay couples from civil marriage law. That's as easy as 1+1=2.
A law that says "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized" doesn't ban gay marriage, it defines what marriage is. That's as easy as 1+1=2.
Any man (or woman) of legal age can marry any one person they want of the opposite sex as long as they are not a close relative.
That is equal protection. No one is excluded.
First of all, that's not equal protection. It discriminates both on the basis of sex and sexual orientation.
But I was asking how gay marriage is a "special right." Your answer just now didn't address the claim you made that legalizing same-sex marriage creates "special rights."
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Percent reversed is where you can play games. If two circuits only had one case reviewed each and they were overturned they'd both have a 100% reversal rate. That percent tells you nothing. That they only had one case might tell you something.
Going off of total number of decisions reversed like you did is playing an even bigger game. To even start to have a meaningful comparison, you have to consider the size of the courts, the number of cases taken from each court relative to the size of the court, which particular panels of judges decided those particular cases, what the topic of the case was, etc, etc, etc.
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But when the 9th has 7 cases before the SCOTUS and 6 are reversed, that tells you the 9th is out of step.
No, it wouldn't. In the past 4 years, the Supreme Court has reversed 79.5% of the cases it heard. The modern court has shown it generally takes cases it intends to reverse.
And over the last 4 years, the 6th and 8th Circuits have had the highest percentage of cases that were heard by the Supreme Court overturned (87.5% and 87%) - but again, that can be misleading without really delving into an extremely complex analysis.
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But surely the Equal Protection Clause would have made all the laws against homosexual sex invalid.
It in fact did. In 2002.
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A law that says "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized" doesn't ban gay marriage, it defines what marriage is. That's as easy as 1+1=2.
You're stating a difference without a distinction. If gay couples are disallowed from marrying, the reason doesn't matter - the effect is that they're banned from marriage. The reason, be it:
... because it's the definition.
... because the law as passed by the legislature says so.
... because God himself commands it.
is irrelevant to the effect. If marriage is defined in the law as "only between a man and a woman" then gay marriage absolutely is banned. That's not an opinion. That's a fact.
I said the COURT is corrupt the ruling is just stupid.
Nah that's lobbyists,and whatever special cause the resident cultural marxists have taken up today.Common sense and truth and facts long went out the door when it comes to law making in America.
So as I said, you disagree with the ruling.
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