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Old 05-06-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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I don't ask that question for myself because I don't know enough about what happened to give an honest opinion but I think it is wrong that people who deny the holocaust cannot have their opinions and debates without the threat of political correct threats and sometimes arrests made. Even if what the holocaust revisionists say something that is totally ridiculous they still have a right to their beliefs and opinions. Why fear people who deny the holocaust when all they have to do is prove that it happened. What runs against my grain is that I was brought up to believe that a person(or people) can have any opinion they want because we are a land of freedom of speech. So maybe I am missing a link somewhere but why not let the holocaust revisionists have their say.

Oh please don't come with this troll business. This isn't a troll.

 
Old 05-06-2015, 12:37 PM
 
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I don't ask that question for myself because I don't know enough about what happened to give an honest opinion but I think it is wrong that people who deny the holocaust cannot have their opinions and debates without the threat of political correct threats and sometimes arrests made. Even if what the holocaust revisionists say something that is totally ridiculous they still have a right to their beliefs and opinions. Why fear people who deny the holocaust when all they have to do is prove that it happened. What runs against my grain is that I was brought up to believe that a person(or people) can have any opinion they want because we are a land of freedom of speech. So maybe I am missing a link somewhere but why not let the holocaust revisionists have their say.

Oh please don't come with this troll business. This isn't a troll.
You can have opinion about things that are open to speculation. But denying facts is something completely differently.

Who was arrested for denying the holocaust happened, anyway?
 
Old 05-06-2015, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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Holocaust deniers are on the same level as Flat Earthers and 9/11 Truthers. It's not just that they're ignorant, it's that they are aggressively pushing a view that is demonstrably and verifiably false.

I do tend to agree with you that people have the right to be unreasonably stupid, and spew their nonsense as they see fit. But their views lack the least bit of legitimacy, and deserved to be mocked and put beyond the pale for that reason.
 
Old 05-06-2015, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
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You say you don't know enough to give an opinion...so LEARN about the atrocities that were committed. READ A BOOK....Go to the museum....find out how god-awful man can be to other men (women and children)...
 
Old 05-06-2015, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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You say you don't know enough to give an opinion...so LEARN about the atrocities that were committed. READ A BOOK....Go to the museum....find out how god-awful man can be to other men (women and children)...
A few hours with Hitler's Willing Executioners will certainly be enough to churn your stomach.
 
Old 05-06-2015, 01:32 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I don't ask that question for myself because I don't know enough about what happened to give an honest opinion but I think it is wrong that people who deny the holocaust cannot have their opinions and debates without the threat of political correct threats and sometimes arrests made. Even if what the holocaust revisionists say something that is totally ridiculous they still have a right to their beliefs and opinions. Why fear people who deny the holocaust when all they have to do is prove that it happened. What runs against my grain is that I was brought up to believe that a person(or people) can have any opinion they want because we are a land of freedom of speech. So maybe I am missing a link somewhere but why not let the holocaust revisionists have their say.

Oh please don't come with this troll business. This isn't a troll.
Didn't pay attention in History class did you?


Holocaust denial is illegal in some European countries (Germany I know for sure) but not in the US. People can say whatever stupid things they want with only the fear of being marked as stupid.
 
Old 05-06-2015, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Altadena, CA
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I don't ask that question for myself because I don't know enough about what happened to give an honest opinion but I think it is wrong that people who deny the holocaust cannot have their opinions and debates without the threat of political correct threats and sometimes arrests made. Even if what the holocaust revisionists say something that is totally ridiculous they still have a right to their beliefs and opinions. Why fear people who deny the holocaust when all they have to do is prove that it happened. What runs against my grain is that I was brought up to believe that a person(or people) can have any opinion they want because we are a land of freedom of speech. So maybe I am missing a link somewhere but why not let the holocaust revisionists have their say.

Oh please don't come with this troll business. This isn't a troll.
Are you serious? If you are, then you're not very bright.

Denying the holocaust is not a crime, it's just someone sadly ignorant and too willfully ignorant to study this horrible event and accept that it happened, and should never happen again.
 
Old 05-06-2015, 02:41 PM
 
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Why fear people who deny the holocaust.
No one "fears" holocaust denial. If anyone does fear Holocaust denial, it isn't the denial that they fear but rather the underlying motivation of the denier. Personally, I've never met a denier who if you barely scratch the surface is a virulent anti-Semite or neo-Nazi.

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What runs against my grain is that I was brought up to believe that a person(or people) can have any opinion they want because we are a land of freedom of speech.
A person can have any opinion that they please, but freedom of speech isn't a one way street. You can say or think whatever you like, just don't be shocked and surprised when other people exercising their 1st Amendment right say and think nasty things about what you say or think.

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why not let the holocaust revisionists have their say.
With the exception of a few western European countries, no one is "stopping" holocaust revisionist from having their say you are free to say whatever you like, the government isn't going to stop you.
 
Old 05-06-2015, 04:14 PM
 
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I think it is wrong that people who deny the holocaust cannot have their opinions and debates without the threat of political correct threats and sometimes arrests made.
Nobody has ever been arrested in The US for being a holocaust denier.
That may not be the case in Germany (and possibly in some other European nations that bore the brunt of the Nazi's brutality), but in The US people are free to express whatever opinions they might have--no matter how bizarre they might be.

And...yes...in the face of literally tons of evidence, the denial of the holocaust's existence is...bizarre...and in every case that denial surely represents a person's own political agenda and/or prejudices.

As I sometimes tell people...You are entitled to your own opinions, but you aren't entitled to your own facts.

 
Old 05-06-2015, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Florida
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1. Its an insult to the memory of the people that were tortured and murdered

2. Its asinine, right up there with saying the moon is made of cheese

3. Theres an inherent danger that people will actually believe them and perpetuate the stupidity
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