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Old 05-08-2015, 09:32 PM
 
Location: North of Canada, but not the Arctic
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People who are accustomed to driving need an incentive to switch to rail travel, like high gas prices caused by supply/demand or higher gas taxes. This should be a part of the strategy when implementing rail. You have to increase gas taxes near the rail line (or the entire state/region).
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Old 05-08-2015, 09:35 PM
 
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People who are accustomed to driving need an incentive to switch to rail travel, like high gas prices caused by supply/demand or higher gas taxes. This should be a part of the strategy when implementing rail. You have to increase gas taxes near the rail line (or the entire state/region).
At least you arent wanting to force us back to riding horses.
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Old 05-08-2015, 10:40 PM
 
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I think there is a reasonable argument for some type of subsidies. There are many indirect benefits that come from high quality infrastructure, including increased property values, eg higher tax revenues coming into local cities, environmental benefits, ability to attract people / business to area.
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Old 05-08-2015, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Government builds and maintains the roads you drive. Heck they even pay cops to.police them 24/7
And gas tax, vehicle registration and license fees pay the vast majority of those costs.
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Old 05-08-2015, 10:48 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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People who are accustomed to driving need an incentive to switch to rail travel, like high gas prices caused by supply/demand or higher gas taxes. This should be a part of the strategy when implementing rail. You have to increase gas taxes near the rail line (or the entire state/region).
Dumbest comment yet, why should we penalize drivers just to get them to take MT?. The alternative-mass trans that is actually cost effective and wins business by offering service at a lower cost than a POV. Given all the costs of operating a vehicle, that should be fairly easy. But like every government-run entity, they never seem to be able to operate at a profit.
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Old 05-09-2015, 02:34 AM
 
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New Mexico Rail Runner Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
After assessing the needs of the track, the state of New Mexico committed to purchasing the railroad corridor from Belen to the New Mexico-Colorado border from BNSF (although, thus far only the portion between Belen and Lamy, NM has been purchased), to ensure that commuter trains would always get the right-of-way and have priority over freight trains in the corridor.
NMDOT considers whether Rail Runner worth cost | New Mexico News - KOAT Home
Meyers said Rail Runner also gets federal funding, along with state grants. That is in addition to about $12 million in gross receipts tax, and usage fees from the major railroad companies.
What in reality happened is BNSF sold right-of-way access so the commuter system could lay its own track. BNSF would never sell trackage it owns and uses.
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Old 05-09-2015, 02:58 AM
 
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People don't use rail for short trips unless they can walk to their ultimate destination. Otherwise, they're stranded or have to rent a car.

Stupid liberal projects don't work because leftists are unable to anticipate even the simplest of consequences.
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Old 05-09-2015, 03:24 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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People don't use rail for short trips unless they can walk to their ultimate destination. Otherwise, they're stranded or have to rent a car.

Stupid liberal projects don't work because leftists are unable to anticipate even the simplest of consequences.
The busiest rail corridor in the US is between Boston and Washington DC, with stops in major cities like NY , Philly and Baltimore. You think the millions riding on the northeast corridor trains each year can all walk to their ultimate destinations?

I use commuter rail in to NYC each week and don't walk to my ultimate destination-- I take the subway.
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Old 05-09-2015, 03:30 AM
 
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The busiest rail corridor in the US is between Boston and Washington DC, with stops in major cities like NY , Philly and Baltimore. You think the millions riding on the northeast corridor trains each year can all walk to their ultimate destinations?

I use commuter rail in to NYC each week and don't walk to my ultimate destination-- I take the subway.
Transportation is dictated by economics, and convenience. New Mexico, in particular the Albuquerque-Santa Fe corridor where the Rail Runner is located is low density, and mainly car dependent. The city of Albuquerque is spread out, and the economic and convenient way to get around is by car.

The Northeast has far more people, a much higher population density, and the cost of commuting by car is much higher. This is due to traffic being much worse than Albuquerque, and parking costs that can be sky high. It is easier in cities, like NYC or DC, to take transit as it is more economical and convenient most of the time, and the network allows one to reach most places they want to get to.

Problem with the Rail Runner is that the economic and convenience factors are not on its side right now.
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Old 05-09-2015, 04:04 AM
 
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It's no different than funding for roads and highways. Roads and highways don't pay for themselves.
About 20 or 30 percent of fuel taxes at the federal level go to mass transit, it varies by state. How much money has mass transit given to fund roads?
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