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The progressive left forgets that it giggles at money connected to gold, giggles at Paulists that want the Fed audited (and ended), giggles at a gold standard.
The progressive left insists that Keynesianism is the way to go, and endorses fiat currency and fractional reserve banking--the same system that not only weakens its dollar but enables its leftist Big Government to buys the hard wares of war state and police state and surveillance state in exchange for IOUs. Yea, the same system that's engorged enough with tax revenue to give it away to cronies.
And total-conformity demanders that they are, the progressives are fully aware that they're doing that because they love the oppressive authoritarianism of the state.
JFK was killed by a capitalist cabal according to that site.
I also find it ironic that you claim that "Capitalism Has Destroyed Human Civilization" when Communism actually attempted such a thing. How many great works of art were destroyed by Stalin for the purpose of them being replaced with Socialist Realist art? The Cultural Revolution was intended to destroy China's vast history and culture to replace it with Maoist socialism. The Khmer Rouge explicitly wanted to destroy all existing civilization and start again from scratch (hence "Year Zero").
The progressive left forgets that it giggles at money connected to gold, giggles at Paulists that want the Fed audited (and ended), giggles at a gold standard.
The progressive left insists that Keynesianism is the way to go, and endorses fiat currency and fractional reserve banking--the same system that not only weakens its dollar but enables its leftist Big Government to buys the hard wares of war state and police state and surveillance state in exchange for IOUs. Yea, the same system that's engorged enough with tax revenue to give it away to cronies.
And total-conformity demanders that they are, the progressives are fully aware that they're doing that because they love the oppressive authoritarianism of the state.
You need to understand that by "thinking" as you express in the post above, you are not
truly thinking on your own, but rather simply parroting the spin points of the established
power mongers. They instituted both seemingly opposing economic structures (capitalism
and communism). Both were financed by the same underwriters (the bankers and their
political fronts). The method of plan implementation differed in the East and the West,
but the outcome remains the same, total domination which will consummate in the
One World (New World) order, under their direction.
The capitalism they pushed in the West was not true individualist capitalism, but rather collective bankopoly
and financial manipulation tyranny disguised as capitalism. Our founding fathers and best presidents and
congressmen are explicit on this fact. On the other side, they funded the takeovers
which allowed them to own and control large states and implement the other directive to change
cultures into a more malleable condition of subjugation. Ruthlessly enforced, soviet communism
and Chinese communism eliminated all freedoms of thought and action.
The mistake which most Americans make is to assume that the historical manifestations of
"communism" are valid, accurate examples of collective management. They are not.
Collective endeavors can be beneficial to freedom. Accumulation of capital can be detrimental
to freedom, and has been.
There are solutions, solutions which have been overlooked and undermined by the power
elite who do not want to lose power. Distributism has many solutions. It is not what you
think, as the word is misused today. Distributism has the answers for our youth, although
of course I do not believe that ourselves, nor our youth have the intellectual acumen, nor
the courage to stand up for their rights as human beings any longer. This is for many
reasons, which would be the subject matter of another post.
For getting what was rightfully mine? Sigh whatever...today is my not give a crap day...that's what I am going to do....not care.
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Originally Posted by odanny
The best candidate to run for President in my lifetime is Bernie Sanders, who identifies as a socialist, and you are talking about voting Republican?
You are very confused.
No. I will not vote for ANY of the republicans running but I am willing to go back republican if they change their stance on min wage,equal pay for women,wars,and maternity leave to name a few oh and education. That's not going to happen so I will stay independent.
You need to understand that by "thinking" as you express in the post above, you are not
truly thinking on your own, but rather simply parroting the spin points of the established
power mongers. They instituted both seemingly opposing economic structures (capitalism
and communism). Both were financed by the same underwriters (the bankers and their
political fronts). The method of plan implementation differed in the East and the West,
but the outcome remains the same, total domination which will consummate in the
One World (New World) order, under their direction.
The capitalism they pushed in the West was not true individualist capitalism, but rather collective bankopoly
and financial manipulation tyranny disguised as capitalism. Our founding fathers and best presidents and
congressmen are explicit on this fact. On the other side, they funded the takeovers
which allowed them to own and control large states and implement the other directive to change
cultures into a more malleable condition of subjugation. Ruthlessly enforced, soviet communism
and Chinese communism eliminated all freedoms of thought and action.
The mistake which most Americans make is to assume that the historical manifestations of
"communism" are valid, accurate examples of collective management. They are not.
Collective endeavors can be beneficial to freedom. Accumulation of capital can be detrimental
to freedom, and has been.
There are solutions, solutions which have been overlooked and undermined by the power
elite who do not want to lose power. Distributism has many solutions. It is not what you
think, as the word is misused today. Distributism has the answers for our youth, although
of course I do not believe that ourselves, nor our youth have the intellectual acumen, nor
the courage to stand up for their rights as human beings any longer. This is for many
reasons, which would be the subject matter of another post.
You need to understand that capitalism is humanity's most natural from of transaction. It is, as capitalism.org puts it, "a social system based on the principle of individual rights. Politically, it is the system of laissez-faire (freedom).
E.g., a gold standard backed monetary system, as a proxy for memory of individually expended energy, is simply one form of mutually agreed upon value, if for no other reason that someone else recognizes that others, too, think it has at any given time. The key is that these units are arrived at and agreed on freely. (And If you want to think that dead houseflies are also a stand-in for institutional memory of labor, you're free to go for it (just don't expect that others will necessarily follow).)
A free market--as opposed to a command economy like distributism or like collectivism-enabled crony capitalism--arises whether you have some other collective utopian vision that you'd like to impose authoritarianly on others or not. In its most dissident form it's called a black market--even if based on nothing other than barter.
But you won't erase it, because it's predicated upon natural law.
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Originally Posted by Snowball7
The capitalism they pushed in the West was not true individualist capitalism, but rather collective bankopoly
Then you really need to take your objections to a progressive left that wants to uphold central banking, which is, BTW, plank #5 in the Communist Manifesto.
Did you get together with other socialists to pool your resources and start your own business where everyone made an equal share?
I constantly hear people griping about some "system" in which they could make a personal change, but it seems that none of them ever do.
I've never met any socialist who has tried to start a business with others like them, but I've met quite a number of socialists who like the idea of taking the business of another to divide up amongst the socialists.
You need to understand that capitalism is humanity's most natural from of transaction. It is, as capitalism.org puts it, "a social system based on the principle of individual rights. Politically, it is the system of laissez-faire (freedom).
E.g., a gold standard backed monetary system, as a proxy for memory of individually expended energy, is simply one form of mutually agreed upon value, if for no other reason that someone else recognizes that others, too, think it has at any given time. The key is that these units are arrived at and agreed on freely. (And If you want to think that dead houseflies are also a stand-in for institutional memory of labor, you're free to go for it (just don't expect that others will necessarily follow).)
A free market--as opposed to a command economy like distributism or like collectivism-enabled crony capitalism--arises whether you have some other collective utopian vision that you'd like to impose authoritarianly on others or not. In its most dissident form it's called a black market--even if based on nothing other than barter.
I disagree on all your points. First of all, "humanity's most natural form of transaction"
that is, transaction between humans, is theft. It takes laws to stop theft. When the
laws do not stop the powerful from stealing from the powerless, then the laws must
be changed so that the powerless don't lose their rights. And yes, the powerless
have protected rights concerning ownership of what they were born into that transcend
the accumulated power of generational elite.
The gold standard is irrelevant, what is relevant is that the sovereign fiat power of
money creation in America has been relinquished to a private international banking cartel
for 100 years. They are the ones who own the gold now, so I do not favor a return to the
gold standard, unless they could be forced to remit their gold and disassemble their cartel,
which would include expungement of all the false debts they have laid on governments.
Distributism, as proposed in Catholic social teaching is not an abrogation of freedom, but
rather a protection for the family and the individual to be able to live independently and
function self-sustainably without indebtiture to the collectivist corporate fascists.
How dare any capitalist make an argument against collectivism, when capitalism is nothing
but misapplied collectivism among groups of conspirators to extract profit at the expense
of the purchaser. God doesn't put a price tag on any of the world's resources. None.
It is man which exploits the weaknesses and dependencies of other men, and that
ability must be constrained in order to live in a just society.
I disagree on all your points. First of all, "humanity's most natural form of transaction"
that is, transaction between humans, is theft. It takes laws to stop theft. When the
laws do not stop the powerful from stealing from the powerless, then the laws must
be changed so that the powerless don't lose their rights. And yes, the powerless
have protected rights concerning ownership of what they were born into that transcend
the accumulated power of generational elite.
The gold standard is irrelevant, what is relevant is that the sovereign fiat power of
money creation in America has been relinquished to a private international banking cartel
for 100 years. They are the ones who own the gold now, so I do not favor a return to the
gold standard, unless they could be forced to remit their gold and disassemble their cartel,
which would include expungement of all the false debts they have laid on governments.
Distributism, as proposed in Catholic social teaching is not an abrogation of freedom, but
rather a protection for the family and the individual to be able to live independently and
function self-sustainably without indebtiture to the collectivist corporate fascists.
How dare any capitalist make an argument against collectivism, when capitalism is nothing
but misapplied collectivism among groups of conspirators to extract profit at the expense
of the purchaser.
Wrong. Infringments on natural law are theft.
Earth is a prison for thieves. Who need to learn that natural law exists whether they want to acknowledge it or not. Natural law is already there. Whether humanity wants to adhere to it is another matter. What you're doing is (1.) implying that natural law is either non-extant or insufficient, or (2.) saying your man made law is bigger than natural law.
When you start imposing on me how the transactions of me and my neighbors are going to be, how we mutually value commerce, that's theft.
If layabouts want to hop in the wagon and expect others to pull, they should learn soon enough that they're in violation of natural law. They can prayerfully stake a modest, naturally lawful claim to resources necessary for sustenance and proactively do something about their condition.
Moving furniture without proper equipment and safety equipment....employer "didn't have any" and "wouldn't buy any" according to him....he sure in the hell could afford it for the price people were paying for their stuff to be moved!
That's not the economic system's fault. He seems like a piece, but he's not capitalism. What kept you working for him when you (or someone) apparently asked him about safety equipment, and he said he "wouldn't buy any?"
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