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Old 05-24-2015, 08:27 PM
 
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The amount of fuel you are using should be irrelevant becsue this isn't about what it costs for you to run the vehicle, it's road costs. In the past the fuel tax worked out fairly to some degree becsue a larger vehicle that does more damage typically used more fuel. The dynamic has changed. What we need is a per mile tax based on the weight of the vehicle, larger vehicles should pay more per mile. That is absolute fairest way to distribute the road costs.
So just exactly what is the difference in road wear between a Honda Civic and a Chevrolet Suburban? As someone who appears to feel strongly about this, I'm sure that you have the numbers at hand.
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Old 05-24-2015, 08:34 PM
 
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What if your odometer doesn't work right? When I go to get smog checked I always tell them speed odometer is not correct.
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Old 05-24-2015, 08:36 PM
 
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The amount of fuel you are using should be irrelevant becsue this isn't about what it costs for you to run the vehicle, it's road costs. In the past the fuel tax worked out fairly to some degree becsue a larger vehicle that does more damage typically used more fuel. The dynamic has changed. What we need is a per mile tax based on the weight of the vehicle, larger vehicles should pay more per mile. That is absolute fairest way to distribute the road costs.
Probably one of the best responses and ideas here. I completely agree. I'd pay more while driving my truck, and that seems reasonable.
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Old 05-24-2015, 08:41 PM
 
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So just exactly what is the difference in road wear between a Honda Civic and a Chevrolet Suburban? As someone who appears to feel strongly about this, I'm sure that you have the numbers at hand.
I don't have specific numbers but it's going to be something. Also, as the weight increases the damage increases exponentially.
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Old 05-24-2015, 08:44 PM
 
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Probably one of the best responses and ideas here.
I've been saying the same thing for years. The only issue is what you charge commercial vehicles, they should be paying more but charging them 20X what a 4K vehicle is paying would have huge implications on the cost of goods. They should be paying more but setting it "fairly" is just not practical.
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Old 05-24-2015, 08:50 PM
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So just exactly what is the difference in road wear between a Honda Civic and a Chevrolet Suburban? As someone who appears to feel strongly about this, I'm sure that you have the numbers at hand.
The answer is basically nothing. It just doesn't matter very much if you're driving down the road in a Prius or a Suburban. The weight difference isn't enough to significant alter the damage done.

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Old 05-24-2015, 09:03 PM
 
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I've been saying the same thing for years. The only issue is what you charge commercial vehicles, they should be paying more but charging them 20X what a 4K vehicle is paying would have huge implications on the cost of goods. They should be paying more but setting it "fairly" is just not practical.
Why not? The price is passed to the consumer and the consumer pays the actual cost of shipping.

I'll try to find some figures on the difference between 3k and 6k pound vehicles in terms of road damage. Remember that a lot of the cost of providing roads isn't variable, but is a fixed per-vehicle cost.
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Old 05-24-2015, 09:28 PM
 
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How do they know if your mileage was in state? What about the OR commuter who drives all day in WA? Or the snowbird who winters in AZ? (Like I was considering till this dumb idea started.). I won't move OUT, I just won't move in.
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Old 05-24-2015, 09:32 PM
 
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How do they know if your mileage was in state? What about the OR commuter who drives all day in WA? Or the snowbird who winters in AZ? (Like I was considering till this dumb idea started.). I won't move OUT, I just won't move in.
Not dissimilar to a gas tax. What if you buy gas in Oregon and then drive outside of the state using that fuel?
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Old 05-24-2015, 09:41 PM
 
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This is an excellent , fair measure. Tax proportionate to road usage.
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