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But they are not eliminating any other taxes that go for roads.
This is a new additional tax on top of all the other taxes.
At this point it's voluntary and they are going reimburse them for the fuel tax. According to the article Oregons fuel tax is 30 cents a gallon, they are going to be charging 1.5 cents per mile. The average MPG for 2014 is 24MPG
Which would be $0 for electric cars. The program is directed towards hybrids and electric cars which use very little gas.
What does that have to do with your outright lie that it isn't going to replace some other tax?
The whole point is to replace the fuel tax with something where everyone pays based on their usage of the roads. Do you know what the word replace means? Your post that I responded to was flat out untrue. That is just a fact. Now you're trying to pretend you didn't say what you said.
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IMHO the mileage tax thing would be Ok IF talking about cars and trucks that weigh more than 2 tons when empty AND are less than 20 years old so a person driving a 1994 Suburban would be off the hook and just pay regular fuel taxes because most older cars ain't used that much compared to newer ones.
What an expensive boondoggle that would be to implement. You really want to task gas stations with determining the age and weight of every car that comes in to get gas, then collect a tax or not based on that? Your "because" doesn't justify, in any way, what you're arguing for. Nor does your "off the hook" statement make any sense. Said 1994 Suburban would actually be paying *less* under the mileage-based tax because it's so incredibly inefficient. In fact, any car that gets less than 20 mpg would wind up paying less under the new system.
No idea, what I know is relative to the damage they are causing to the road a truck that weighs 80K pounds and is getting 5MPG is not paying anything near what a vehicle that weighs 4K pounds and gets 20MPG is paying.
Also keep in mind as weight increases the damage increases exponentially. An 80K pound truck does far more damage than 20 4K pound cars.
As a business, do you use the roads to make a profit?
As a consumer and employee, do you use the roads to make a profit?
If your not making money using the road, you should be free to travel.
A mileage tax on all vehicles registered in Oregon.
Punish those that cannot afford to live in the cities, living in lower cost rural Oregon.
Trucking companies will be moving their operations out of Oregon.
"""The program is meant to help the state raise more revenue to pay for road and bridge projects at a time when money generated from gasoline taxes are declining across the country, in part, because of greater fuel efficiency and the increasing popularity of fuel-efficient, hybrid and electric cars."""
Idaho is larger than Oregon and it's always had a gas tax. The recent legislative session just raised the taxes substantially for the first time in over 20 years because our roads are in serious need of repair.
The fact is all vehicles are more efficient and burn less fuel than before. Using the fuel tax as a fund for road maintenance could well become a thing of the past in years to come, and the fuel tax could easily become a general tax on all citizens of a state whether they drive or not.
And you are mistake if you think living in the country is cheaper than living in town in Oregon or any of the other states in the intermountain west. Country life depends on cities and always has. Cities are few and far between out here, and thousands of people can attest to the costs of life in the country out here.
It is not. the only way life is cheaper in the country is if a person inherits a piece of land and then lives off the grid without the use of electricity, natural gas, communications, or all the other common things of everyday life. That lifestyle severely limits any person's ability to make income, and even then, there are many modern necessities that are needed. No one out here rides a horse into town anymore.
There's another problem with this concept that hasn't been thought out too well - actually collecting the tax.
If you're in the tax collecting business, you always want someone else collecting the tax for you, who has no reason not to do it. This is why the federal income tax is largely based on payroll deduction, and why the states largely either piggy back off of this or use sales taxes. If you try and force people to actually write you a check, a not insignificant number won't, and you'll have to chase them for the money.
The current fuel tax is essentially a sales tax, and if you want to have fuel in your vehicle, there's no way not to pay it. But with any sort of pay per mile system, the gov't is going to have to get the mileage numbers, send out bills. They may end up losing more to deadbeats and collection costs, than they'll get in increased revenue from electric vehicles. Not to mention that people will screw with the means of measurement. How many speedometers/odometers will be disconnected for a while? Will underground business of rolling back odometers start springing up? This isn't as carefully thought out as they'd like everyone to believe.
But they already pay, no? There's the gas tax, both Federal and state (I bring up federal because, while a different taxing jurisdiction from the state, transportation/road grants are made to states from these taxes, among other sources). Then, there are tolls (in NYC, at least, there are many tolls that go far beyond covering the cost of the roads/bridges they are there to support . . . I wonder if tolls in Oregon operate the same way, as a funding source for non-upkeep related projects). At the end of the day, however, this tax threatens to put Oregon at a disadvantage in the ongoing fight for residents. They are taking a huge risk. If it pays off, great. If not, I hope that residents punish the state severely.
Oregon doesn't really have any toll roads.
A mileage tax makes sense, though it would be easy to just tie it to vehicle registration.
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Ideally we'd have a usage based model that doesn't necessarily invade people's privacy. Currently there's one option that doesn't use GPS, but then you can't get credit for out of state mileage.
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Idaho is larger than Oregon and it's always had a gas tax. The recent legislative session just raised the taxes substantially for the first time in over 20 years because our roads are in serious need of repair.
Not sure what it has to do with anything, but Oregon is larger than Idaho (98,378.54 sq miles vs 83,568.95). It also has 48.5% more miles of roads than Idaho.
Simply raising the gas tax might be the way to go, though it still doesn't deal with the issue of low or zero-gas use cars not paying their fair share. I would suggest a toll system, but our roads are already a congested nightmare and that would only snarl things up even more.
Living in a first world nation ain't free, people!
Funny how liberals don't apply that standard to everything but only where they want to. So you're going to stop pushing for "free" healthcare now, right?
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