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Old 05-28-2015, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Quit blaming liberals, It's not by mistake, or a porous border or any of the other dozen reasons that people blame for having 11 million undocumented people here. It happened because the government has looked the other way for 40 years while employers hired these people with complete impunity. How long have we had e-verify and why isn't it required? How long have we had laws that make hiring an undocumented person a crime, and when was the last time an employer was arrested?

Both parties are responsible for this, in 2011 Dan Lungren almost cried on the house floor about how e-verify would devastate agriculture, other conservatives claimed that they fear it will become a 'national id' (funny they aren't worried about that when they pass legislation requiring voter ID) Dems whine about an error rate with e-verify that might harm legal workers, or they claim the only 'fix' is comprehensive immigration. I call BS on all of that, congress is getting their coffers filled by agribusiness and will continue to fight to keep a dysfunctional system that provides them with cheap labor at all costs. The House has come out with HR 1174 http://judiciary.house.gov/_cache/fi...smith-bill.pdf which could have been a good bill if they had left out the big pander to agribusiness; a 3 year phase in for e-verify to agriculture
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Old 05-28-2015, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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With all those "facts" about Mexico it is no wonder the people want to come to America to escape. The trouble is they bring a lot of the trouble with them.

America is generous in accepting people from all over the world legal or not and giving them assistance but there will come a day, which seems to be quickly approaching, where there will be nothing left to give and our once great society will be more like what these immigrants ran from in the first place.
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Old 05-28-2015, 12:48 PM
 
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Let the liberals and ethnocentrics try to dispute what Coulter said. It will be fun to watch.
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Old 05-28-2015, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Let the liberals and ethnocentrics try to dispute what Coulter said. It will be fun to watch.
The problem is, very few will even try. They will attack the messenger, and the especially weak minded will scream "racist". Debating the actual statements...that's just too hard. Especially when the facts are on Coulter's side.
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Old 05-28-2015, 01:10 PM
 
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Quit blaming liberals, It's not by mistake, or a porous border or any of the other dozen reasons that people blame for having 11 million undocumented people here. It happened because the government has looked the other way for 40 years while employers hired these people with complete impunity. How long have we had e-verify and why isn't it required? How long have we had laws that make hiring an undocumented person a crime, and when was the last time an employer was arrested?

Both parties are responsible for this, in 2011 Dan Lungren almost cried on the house floor about how e-verify would devastate agriculture, other conservatives claimed that they fear it will become a 'national id' (funny they aren't worried about that when they pass legislation requiring voter ID) Dems whine about an error rate with e-verify that might harm legal workers, or they claim the only 'fix' is comprehensive immigration. I call BS on all of that, congress is getting their coffers filled by agribusiness and will continue to fight to keep a dysfunctional system that provides them with cheap labor at all costs. The House has come out with HR 1174 http://judiciary.house.gov/_cache/fi...smith-bill.pdf which could have been a good bill if they had left out the big pander to agribusiness; a 3 year phase in for e-verify to agriculture

They aren't "undocumented" they are illegal aliens. Otherwise I agree with most of what you said. Actually, there are unlimited H-2A visas for agricultural workers so the crop picking argument is moot. Also, only 3% of illegals are picking crops.
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Old 05-28-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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This country went downhill when you let in the Irish.

And don't get me started on the Scotch-Irish...

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Old 05-28-2015, 01:59 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Let the liberals and ethnocentrics try to dispute what Coulter said. It will be fun to watch.
This liberal thinks she made some pretty good points there. And I normally roll my eyes at Ann Coulter.
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Old 05-28-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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They aren't "undocumented" they are illegal aliens. Otherwise I agree with most of what you said. Actually, there are unlimited H-2A visas for agricultural workers so the crop picking argument is moot. Also, only 3% of illegals are picking crops.
They are undocumented, and they are breaking a law by entering the US, so either undocumented or illegal seem appropriate. I've seen this happening for a very long time, several decades ago I worked for a company that hired large numbers of landscape, maintenance, janitorial and kitchen workers. I was told at a meeting that we would be seeing some changes in the hourly workforce, that all of those jobs were being outsourced to a contractor. In less than 2 years the only employees who were citizens were managers, retail staff and restaurant servers. I asked my supervisor how they could do that and get away with it and was told to shut up and mind my own business, that it was perfectly legal because the contractor told them all the workers had work permits.

In the 80's meat packing jobs paid well, in some cases those workers supported the entire economy of small towns. Then the CEO's of these companies realized that they could save 50% or more on labor if they bused in Mexicans. They didn't stop until they replaced nearly every employee with an undocumented worker. In many cases they never even gave the employees a chance to agree to a wage cut. They would lock the building and claim they were going out of business, 24 hours later they would reopen with a slightly different company name and a new workforce.

More recently I lived in an HOA that employed at least 30 undocumented landscape workers, how do I know? Because they mowed the lawn next to my house and I would bring them ice water during their break and I directly asked them. I approached the manager of the HOA and asked why they were not using e-verify and was told that they are in compliance with the law, all new hires have to show a photo ID. After that I got 3 warning notices in a month for brown spots in my lawn.

Unfortunately there are enough people benefiting from this that you could build a dome over the entire US and businesses that want cheap labor will find a way to let these folks in, and a corrupt government will continue to try to appease us by talking about building big fences all the while winking at employers who hire the undocumented.
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Old 05-28-2015, 02:29 PM
 
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And let's not forget all the Canadians like me that got in the country after 1970...
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Old 05-28-2015, 02:47 PM
 
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The problem that goes unnoticed is that when people immigrate to the USA, it's to leave their own country of birth, because that country's society, culture and traditions are so dysfunctional that they forced the person to flee to the USA.

Sadly, many of these people inadvertently bring their bankrupt culture, politics and traditions into the USA and infect/plague our country with the same exact problems that caused them to flee their home in the first place.

This is not to say that if the cultures and traditions with another country meld nicely with our own, they we won't welcome them. All cultures and traditions are not equal. Not every aspect from the cultures and traditions of another country are compatible with those we hold dear in the USA.

If your culture is one that is excepting of misogynistic practices, adults having sex with 10 and 12 year old girls, believes in racial supremacy, religious repression, desires a socialist communist government.... then leave that crap back where you came from, we don't want it here.
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