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Actually the Netherlands has very strict gun control and they have way less guns than the US has. The US has the highest gun ownership rate than any nation in the world. In regards to your grandparents, jews made up less than 1% of the German population in 1933. There is no way in hell 1% of the German population would stand a chance against the Nazis. No way. Hell, even if they had modern firearms against 1933 weaponry, the Nazis would still slaughter them, easily
Logic really doesn't work with gun nuts. If it did, we wouldn't be where we are as a nation today.
The Swiss have gun control that is more stringent than here in the USA...things that would never pass here. These kinds of lunatics would have a MUCH harder time getting their hands on guns in Switzerland.
What in the world are you talking about? Switzerland has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world.
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You wanna sign up for their same gun control laws? Fine. I'd take that and be cool with having their per-capita gun concentration (we probably have more anyway). But somehow, I bet no conservative would go for that.
Before taking that bet you should probably pull your head out of your backside.
Even as the gun-control debate rises again in the U.S. in the aftermath of the horrific school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the gun-loving Swiss are not about to lay down their arms. Guns are ubiquitous in this neutral nation, with sharpshooting considered a fun and wholesome recreational activity for people of all ages.
Even though Switzerland has not been involved in an armed conflict since a standoff between Catholics and Protestants in 1847, the Swiss are very serious not only about their right to own weapons but also to carry them around in public. Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.
Actually the Netherlands has very strict gun control and they have way less guns than the US has. The US has the highest gun ownership rate than any nation in the world. In regards to your grandparents, jews made up less than 1% of the German population in 1933. There is no way in hell 1% of the German population would stand a chance against the Nazis. No way. Hell, even if they had modern firearms against 1933 weaponry, the Nazis would still slaughter them, easily
For a sock puppet your are pretty transparent.
Although gun violence is very rare in Finland, the country has the highest rate of firearm ownership in Europe and the third highest in the world, behind only the United States and Yemen. Why do so many Finns own firearms?
What in the world are you talking about? Switzerland has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world.
I know that.. Now LOOK UP THEIR GUN CONTROL LAWS!
For the hundredth time, they are more stringent than USA's and contain things that conservatives fight tooth and nail. They have broader gun registration. Tougher and broader use of background checks. Specific laws about how you can carry around a loaded gun in public and how you can acquire and transport ammo.
You wanna use Switzerland as an excuse for your gun mania? Fine. Let's sign up for that, and let's sign up for all their gun control measures! Then you're talking apples to apples. Until then, you're just doing the same old conservative smoke and mirrors.
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Even as the gun-control debate rises again in the U.S. in the aftermath of the horrific school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the gun-loving Swiss are not about to lay down their arms. Guns are ubiquitous in this neutral nation, with sharpshooting considered a fun and wholesome recreational activity for people of all ages.
Even though Switzerland has not been involved in an armed conflict since a standoff between Catholics and Protestants in 1847, the Swiss are very serious not only about their right to own weapons but also to carry them around in public. Because of this general acceptance and even pride in gun ownership, nobody bats an eye at the sight of a civilian riding a bus, bike or motorcycle to the shooting range, with a rifle slung across the shoulder.
And guess what? With rare exception, those civilians are carrying rifles with no ammo in them...because they have laws about this.
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To carry a loaded firearm in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragbewilligung (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.[14] It is, however, quite common to see a person serving military service to be en route with his rifle, albeit unloaded.
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Guns may be transported in public as long as an appropriate justification is present. This means to transport a gun in public, the following requirements apply:
The ammunition must be separated from the gun, no ammunition in a magazine.
The transport needs to be as direct as possible and needs a valid purpose:
Here's more context about how Switzerland has a fundamentally different approach to gun ownership and control:
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Swiss citizens - for example hunters, or those who shoot as a sport - can get a permit to buy guns and ammunition, unless they have a criminal record, or police deem them unsuitable on psychiatric or security grounds. But hunters and sportsmen are greatly outnumbered by those keeping army guns - which again illustrates the difference between Switzerland and the US.
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"I do as the army advises and I keep the barrel separately from my pistol," he explains seriously. "I keep the barrel in the basement so if anyone breaks into my apartment and finds the gun, it's useless to them."
He shakes out the gun holster. "And we don't get bullets any more," he adds. "The Army doesn't give ammunition now - it's all kept in a central arsenal." This measure was introduced by Switzerland's Federal Council in 2007.
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Prof Killias cannot hide his anger with those in America who use Switzerland to illustrate their argument that more gun ownership would deter or stop violence.
"We don't have a gun culture!" he snaps, waving his hand dismissively.
"I'm always amazed how the National Rifle Association in America points to Switzerland - they make it sound as if it was part of southern Texas!" he says.
"We have guns at home, but they are kept for peaceful purposes. There is no point taking the gun out of your home in Switzerland because it is illegal to carry a gun in the street. To shoot someone who just looks at you in a funny way - this is not Swiss culture!"
For the hundredth time, they are more stringent than USA's and contain things that conservatives fight tooth and nail. They have broader gun registration. Tougher and broader use of background checks. Specific laws about how you can carry around a loaded gun in public and how you can acquire and transport ammo.
They carry them on their backs as they ride to the shooting range. They freely carry them in public without a peep. Is this what you are talking about? If not, you need to provide something of substance.
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You wanna use Switzerland as an excuse for your gun mania? Fine. Let's sign up for that, and let's sign up for all their gun control measures! Then you're talking apples to apples. Until then, you're just doing the same old conservative smoke and mirrors.
I don't own a gun.
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And guess what? With rare exception, those civilians are carrying rifles with no ammo in them...because they have laws about this.
They can do whatever they want with ammunition they purchase themselves. The government does purchase a lot of the ammunition that people use at gun ranges.
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But hunters and sportsmen are greatly outnumbered by those keeping army guns - which again illustrates the difference between Switzerland and the US.
People can still buy civilian ammo for "army guns".
If ISIS or Al-Qaeda had killed as many Americans, they'd be calling for a return of the draft and demanding Obama nuke the entire middle east. Gun violence in our own country? Shrug. They say Obama should shut up and we should ignore it.
None of the conservatives in this thread could address this. Probably because they know it's true.
The greatest unintended consequence of Prohibition however, was the plainest to see. For over a decade, the law that was meant to foster temperance instead fostered intemperance and excess. The solution the United States had devised to address the problem of alcohol abuse had instead made the problem even worse. The statistics of the period are notoriously unreliable, but it is very clear that in many parts of the United States more people were drinking, and people were drinking more.
That's one of the things I like about American's. When the government tells people that they can't do something that the government has no business doing the people do the opposite.
That's the common narrative, but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
The real problem is the people who think that they can't be free unless they have the ability to shoot someone. They don't want guns, they want what guns represent. They want what all of the propaganda and salesmanship have promised them.
Intelligent people know the difference, but some people simply cannot be taught.
Gun prohibition is doomed, but only because of American stupidity.
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