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I don't really understand his position regarding business protectionism. He's going to force companies to keep their factories in the USA and hire american workers? That doesn't sound very republican, it sounds like what is done in socialist countries with bad economies. Plus there is no legal way for him to do it. His overarching problem is that he appears to think he is running for the King of America, not the office of president.
There absolutely is a way he can do it, in fact there are many ways it can be done. One is to give a one time tax amnesty on funds (billions btw) currently held outside the U.S.. The other is as he stated, institute a tariff on goods manufactured outside the U.S. by U.S. companies (what he said he'd do with Ford). I'll grant you what he's saying may not be very "republican" or democrat for that matter because it's something no politician would DARE say if he wanted big business support/donations but it's certainly not wrong.
How he's "forcing" companies to keep jobs in the U.S. is to remove the profit for them to leave, to make it so cost prohibitive that they'd choose to stay.
How is that in any way wrong?
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My apologies, I have fixed my sentence as follows: "But he only has sound bites, no substance or sane, workable idea.
So you think it makes sense (and even possible) for MISTER Trump to impose a 35% tariff on Ford cars built in Mexico? I will save myself some typing here, but you should be able to figure out quickly how that "idea" is absurd. Think about it, why aren't we even doing that to foreign cars (many of which have been built in Mexico) now? Do you think Ford and its shareholders would sit idly for this idea, or abandon a brand new $2.5 billion plant? Under NAFTA, the US cannot take a unilateral tariff action like that, so how is he going to overcome that? Not to mention, every Big Three has a plant in Mexico. Are we punishing them, too?
See, your post simply proves my point. His solutions are overly simplistic soundbites with no substance. When you stop and think about it, none of them make sense to sane people. But then again, that's not his intended audience.
Mick
Of course it's "possible" see my comments above. As to the other 2, yes I'd assume they'd be included in such tariffs. Hey, Obama brought out the big pen without so much as a thought to whether it was legal or just so why can't Trump or any other president borrow that pen to write some orders?
In my opinion Trump is addressing the vanishing and vanquished middle/lower middle class (soon to be poor )with some ideas on how to bring it back from the cr@pper.
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I think he is focusing way too much of his time on the problem of illegals when the real problem facing America is lack of jobs, he's got this notion that if he builds a wall high enough it will end the illegals coming to the USA. Its a small fraction of these illegals that travel cross desert for days to attempt to cross a fence into the USA,IMO the main source of illegal entry is at regular border crossings by car/train/bus/boat/plane once in the USA these visitors just dont return to Mexico only then do they become illegal.
Bottom line on Trump? Bull in a China shop.
Uhh, he's addressed multiple problems with possible solutions so far, he just happens to be louder about illegals due to the recent murders committed by them. So? It is an issue that has needed work for 30+ years now, isn't it about time someone lit a fire about it?
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He appeals to people who are bigoted and don't know anything about politics.
Seriously? I would say you have just painted millions of people with a very,very wide brush, especially with respect to the "bigoted" statement.
How is it bigoted to want a secure border and people that broke the laws of our nation removed? Not even mentioning the law they broke sneaking in but the laws they've broken since sneaking in.
Oh that's right, we shouldn't have borders as we're all humans that should be free to roam about the world as we wish like free range chickens taking what we want wherever we are..
While I see little policy in his speeches, he is not a lunatic. Some of the things he says make sense, I know that is shocking for many people.
Donald Trump is the type of person who says it like it is and is not fake. He is unwavering in what he believes in. I respect him for that, he does not back down.
Does not mean I agree with Trump's comments or his views. But the man is not fake and not afraid to express his views.
: Last summer his administration transported the illegals anywhere in the country they wanted to go, with a promise to appear at a future court date. As of today 97% have not showed up for their hearing. Recently his administration discontinued the use of holding centers and turned more illegals out into our society, never to be heard from again. His administration has tied the hands of our border patrol and law enforcement agencies and give these illegals protection that the average American citizen does not have.
Maybe Obama has done good by the illegals; for the American citizens, not so much.
Lets not forget the over 36,000 CRIMINAL illegal aliens that were released from prison to free range in the U.S. by the Obama administration...
There absolutely is a way he can do it, in fact there are many ways it can be done. One is to give a one time tax amnesty on funds (billions btw) currently held outside the U.S.. The other is as he stated, institute a tariff on goods manufactured outside the U.S. by U.S. companies (what he said he'd do with Ford). I'll grant you what he's saying may not be very "republican" or democrat for that matter because it's something no politician would DARE say if he wanted big business support/donations but it's certainly not wrong.
How he's "forcing" companies to keep jobs in the U.S. is to remove the profit for them to leave, to make it so cost prohibitive that they'd choose to stay.
How is that in any way wrong?
I meant he literally can't do any of that stuff. The president has no power to decree tax amnesty, tariffs or repeal NAFTA on his own.
....The worst economies in Europe have the most job protectionism. Calls for such protectionism certainly haven't been a plank in the republican platform in recent times.
Not really. The entire point of the EU is "free movement" between the member countries including employment, workers, etc. Tens of thousands of jobs there have left Western Europe and moved East were wages are lower. They also have severe problems with multinationals moving jobs to India and shifting profits to low tax areas.
End result. Greece may be tossed out of the Eurozone tomorrow. The UK which has one of the strongest economies is going to vote next year to leave the EU. So it's certainly not as you indicate.
BTW, don't get caught up in the false war of conservative vs liberal. In this issue there is essentially no difference.
I meant he literally can't do any of that stuff. The president has no power to decree tax amnesty, tariffs or repeal NAFTA on his own.
The key word here is literally. He literally can't change law. That is a constitutional fact. But it's not a very relevant point. The President has wide powers available to him via executive order and the fact that he runs the federal bureaucracy through his cabinet, that he can have huge effect on what actually happens.
And indeed. A good President can use the bully pulpit to force Congress to make changes. Ronald Reagan proved this endlessly in his routing whippings of the Congress even when controlled by the Democrats. Trump no doubt has the same skill. He's demonstrating that every day.
Therefore, we need to deport all American citizens, and keep the illegals.
See how that works, Trump sycophants?
Not a sycophant, but exactly WHERE would we deport the American citizens as they are our problem. Illegals shouldn't be our problem as they aren't supposed to be here anyway.
Whether illegals perform crime at lower or higher rates than citizens is irrelevant. There is no mandate that we allow illegals into this country. Unfortunately we are stuck with our lowlife citizens.
If you find a nice island we could deport the criminal element of our citizens to, please let our officials know.
Oh here we go again with the clown car BS again. Try some new material this one is getting old and while you're at it try debating like an adult.
Why should I bother?
Serious question.
Basically, most of the people here are either undereducated or grossly partisan.
I tell you what, pick a topic and I will be happy to oblige.
Your choices at this point are to pick a topic or to throw up some defensive mechanism and flee.
What will it be?
P.S. The main reason it's a clown car is that at this point of the election cycle it's just politicians taking polls and then lying to people about what is important to them.
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)with some ideas on how to bring it back from the cr@pper.
