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Old 07-16-2015, 12:46 PM
 
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Yes, those private companies will simply raise their prices to the "paying" public to regain those costs. Business does not give anything away for nothing. There is always a road for recovering those costs. So, if the cost is not paid by taxes it will be paid back to the companies by higher prices to the paying public.

Google is ALREADY giving away free Internet... to a lot of people!!!

Google wants to bring free Wi-Fi to cities – and it's starting now with Sidewalk Labs in New York | Metro News

Guess what that means? If you are a paying customer of Google, guess what, you ARE ALREADY paying for it even if Google decides not to provide free Internet to the poor.

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Old 07-16-2015, 12:50 PM
 
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Where the mistake is made is when that "general welfare" excuse ends up being a small and specific segment of society. "General welfare" means that whatever comes under this heading has to be done for ALL THE CITIZENS...not a specific group. So, the Federal Government is literally going unconstitutional on anything they provide to any specific group instead of every single citizen.
So the GI Bill is unconstitutional?
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Old 07-16-2015, 12:52 PM
 
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I am against this 100%. I am willing to pay $200 dollars per month for broadband internet. Obama is not helping people he is dumbing them down.
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Old 07-16-2015, 12:58 PM
 
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I am against this 100%. I am willing to pay $200 dollars per month for broadband internet. Obama is not helping people he is dumbing them down.
Talk about dumbing down.

Obama is NOT giving free Internet to the poor.

I repeat. Obama is NOT giving free Internet to the poor. Stop listening to conservatives and start paying attention to the world!
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Old 07-16-2015, 01:02 PM
 
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You have internet. So, look at self before drawing lame conclusions about having access to internet.
I will leave the lame conclusions to you since you obviously have vast expertise when it comes to drawing said conclusions.
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Old 07-16-2015, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Google is ALREADY giving away free Internet... to a lot of people!!!

Google wants to bring free Wi-Fi to cities – and it's starting now with Sidewalk Labs in New York | Metro News

Guess what that means? If you are a paying customer of Google, guess what, you ARE ALREADY paying for it even if Google decides not to provide free Internet to the poor.

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What do you not understand about the fact that we paying customers would simple be paying MORE!
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Old 07-16-2015, 01:24 PM
 
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You don't think 64 million is a lot?????
Where do get 64 million??? He said 80 % of households have Internet.
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Old 07-16-2015, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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So the GI Bill is unconstitutional?
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Don't try to spin crap...the GI Bill was part of the agreement with our soldiers who put their lives on the line to defend America. Now, today's student loans IMHO are something in which the Federal Government should never have become involved. Those students have done nothing for the security of America to earn those loans, especially when so many end up being forgiven obligation to pay.

Remember, our Military and the security of America ARE covered by our Constitution. That is NOT a citizen's RIGHT! That is a constitutional responsibility of our Federal Government.
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Old 07-16-2015, 01:34 PM
 
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Don't try to spin crap...the GI Bill was part of the agreement with our soldiers who put their lives on the line to defend America. Now, today's student loans IMHO are something in which the Federal Government should never have become involved. Those students have done nothing for the security of America to earn those loans, especially when so many end up being forgiven obligation to pay.

Remember, our Military and the security of America ARE covered by our Constitution. That is NOT a citizen's RIGHT! That is a constitutional responsibility of our Federal Government.
Wow. How you twist and turn to try and turn the GI bill into a constitutional right.

Uhmm...no. It is not. In fact the constitution has a LOT more to say about the people, and their common good....then it does about the GI Bill.

The GI Bill is a great thing that I love having in place. Its not a constitutional right.
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Old 07-16-2015, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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64 million is a lot, but what makes you think they would use it anyway?

You think giving "free" internet access and computers to people who can't read in the first place is going to change anything? Maybe it's just a coincidence that the illiteracy rate and supposed lack of Internet access is the same. Are all 64 million of those people without Internet access illiterate? Probably not, but you can be a hell of a lot of them are. Anyone with a phone line can get online if they want to, those people clearly don't want to - or don't think it's worth paying for it themselves.

The U.S. Illiteracy Rate Hasn't Changed In 10 Years
According to a study conducted in late April by the U.S. Department of Education and the National Institute of Literacy, 32 million adults in the U.S. can't read. That's 14 percent of the population. 21 percent of adults in the U.S. read below a 5th grade level, and 19 percent of high school graduates can't read.

They aren't suddenly going to learn how to read or be willing to put in the effort to learn, or figure out how to use a computer in the first place just because you give them Internet access.
You see, here's where I have a more open mind than some on this forum. Your question about whether they would use it -- now that's a good question. And that's why I suggest that all American households ought to have access to modern internet access, but that the purchase of internet services is a separate issue.

But I don't even think learning from the internet is necessarily the issue, or at least not the main issue. There are few jobs today that don't have some connection to modern technology. Get your car inspected and the transmission of info and printing of the inspection sticker is done through the internet and on a computer (in most cases). Go to a chain restaurant, and the orders are increasingly taken via computer, as are seating arrangement and reservations. And that's just a quick sample.

But I think you make a valid point here. Congratulations! You're a rarity in this thread!
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