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Old 08-01-2015, 04:06 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It doesn't matter how crappy you believe medicare for all is.
We can't have Medicare for all because Medicare requires decades of premium contributions in the form of taxes be paid for decades before one even becomes eligible for benefits.
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Old 08-01-2015, 04:09 PM
 
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We can't have Medicare for all because Medicare requires decades of premium contributions in the form of taxes be paid for decades before one even becomes eligible for benefits.
Except we are paying out about three times the benefits that the seniors contributed. Something needs to give. Either expand Medicare or end it. There should not be one group that gets the benefits over another. That's choosing winners and losers. As it is, many seniors are making out like bandits.
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Old 08-01-2015, 04:14 PM
 
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We can't have Medicare for all because Medicare requires decades of premium contributions in the form of taxes be paid for decades before one even becomes eligible for benefits.
That's nonsense. The current taxpayers already fund more health care costs than in countries that have universal health care.
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Old 08-01-2015, 04:25 PM
 
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I'd much rather the U.S. be like the countries you've mentioned than places like Russia, North Korea, Iran, etc..
I don't want the U.S. to become like Russia, North Korea or Iran. I also don't want it to become like France, Germany, Norway or Sweden. I want the U.S. to return to its roots and be the great and unique country it was always meant to be.

P.S. Those of you with European ancestry, why let the U.S. change into the very thing your ancestors took great risks to get away from?
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Old 08-01-2015, 04:27 PM
 
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Except we are paying out about three times the benefits that the seniors contributed.
Not when interest is accounted for. If the Medicare surplus had been invested instead of spent on non-related pork by the federal government, most people would LOSE money on the deal, just like they do on Social Security.

Social Security is a LOSING deal for most workers - AP
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Old 08-01-2015, 04:31 PM
 
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Countries like Germany, Scandinavia, Switzerland are doing just fine. High standard of living, high employment rates, people dont have the freedom to go bankrupt from cancer treatment, workers are entitled to at least 5 weeks of paid vacation to improve health and family connections, all workers are allowed paid time off to say goodbye to a dying parent, there is no for-profit prison industry and public money is invested in its people instead of corporate welfare, a massive prison system and a military industrial complex.

The American people are social democratic in nature, according to polls. The political views of Americans are much more in line with social democracies in Europe than the policies that are pushed by politicians in DC. A more progressive economic agenda in America is an America more in line with what Americans want according to opinion polls. An America more reflective of public opinion and thus a more democratic America in other words.
In countries like Germany people are assigned their career when they are 13 or 14 years old and they are stuck with that career assignment for life. I will take the freedom and choice inherent in America (pursuit of happiness) over the miserable authoritarianism of Germany any day of the week.
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Old 08-01-2015, 04:32 PM
 
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I don't want the U.S. to become like Russia, North Korea or Iran. I also don't want it to become like France, Germany, Norway or Sweden. I want the U.S. to return to its roots and be the great and unique country it was always meant to be.
Yes, let's go back to the days when the GOP cared about the people.

From Republican President William Taft in 1910: “The American People, have found out that there is such a thing as exhausting the capital of one’s health and constitution, and that two or three months’ vacation after the hard and nervous strain to which one is subjected during the Autumn and Spring are necessary in order to enable one to continue his work the next year with that energy and effectiveness which it ought to have.”
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Old 08-01-2015, 04:42 PM
 
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In Europe the Liberals are transforming Europe into Eurabia.
Yeah, once the transition to Eurabia is complete, the notion of social democracy will be as dead as economic communism. Every form of government used by the Europeans has failed. Monarchies pretty much died off with WWI. Fascism died with WWII. Communism died with the fall of the Berlin Wall (contemporary Chinese communism is a capitalistic dictatorship). The latest version of European governance a.k.a social democracy will fall when the Muslims inevitably become the outright majority population in Europe.

The U.S. needs to ignore European ways and get back to its roots. That is the only path to our nation's survival in the world going forward.
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Old 08-01-2015, 04:47 PM
 
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The U.S. needs to ignore European ways and get back to its roots. That is the only path to our nation's survival in the world going forward.
When the U.S. began, everyone was a farmer. Even a hundred years ago, everyone was a farmer. No one had iPhones or a college education. Few even knew how to read. I've been doing genealogy and reading these census reports has been amazing. We will not go back to our roots. We like our technology and our access to fast information and low cost products.
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Old 08-01-2015, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Richmond/Philadelphia/Brooklyn
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Yes. This country is a giant right wing auto-oriented suburban hell, and would be in a much better situation if we simply strove to get rid of our rednecks, consumerist attitudes, over-individualistic (i.e. narcissistic) society, and correct this endless culture less void of 50 states.

And yes, I'm being completely serious here.
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