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Old 08-05-2015, 10:01 PM
 
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If anything, I'd say Norwegians (and most non-Eastern European countries in Europe) enjoy more rights than people in the U.S. do. They have already been allowing same-sex marriage, reproductive rights, and less draconian incarceration for victimless 'crimes' like personal pot use or sex work, relative lack of police brutality (compared to the US)..... all without having to be dragged kicking and screaming into it (at least in recent times). And I won't even get started on the lack of worker protections and rights in the US.

The only 'right' I can think of that the US offers that European countries are less inclined to is the 'right' to have guns.

Woop de doo...what a brilliant tradeoff...sign me up!
Who cares about same-sex marriage. Its 2% of the population. You act like its such a big part of the population.
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Old 08-05-2015, 10:10 PM
 
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Who cares about same-sex marriage. Its 2% of the population. You act like its such a big part of the population.
Enough people care that it is a majority..... the Supreme court also agreed that it should be the law to legalize it federally....

They do get it right sometimes
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:56 AM
 
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Not Eastern Europe, but the socialist countries like Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Etc. I feel like they are trying to turn us into Europe by taking away freedoms and pushing their liberal/socialist views on us.
None of those countries are lacking freedom.
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:00 AM
 
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None of those countries are lacking freedom.
They are, most have stricter limits on freedoms of speech, press, restrictions on religion, a lower level of proof needed to be convicted of crime, access to firearms, etc.
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Old 08-06-2015, 09:19 AM
 
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They are, most have stricter limits on freedoms of speech, press, restrictions on religion, a lower level of proof needed to be convicted of crime, access to firearms, etc.
Really? I'll grant you access to firearms - the US is an extreme outlier in that respect - but the rest of the examples seem weird.

As for freedom of speech/freedom of the press, Reporters without Borders puts Northern Europe (minus the UK) and Canada on the absolute top of the list.

https://index.rsf.org/#!/

In the US, Arpaio's goons "arrest" critical journalists in the middle of the night, and the adoring populace reelects him. Joe Arpaio Loses: New Times Co-Founders Win $3.75 Million Settlement for 2007 False Arrests | Phoenix New Times (As far as I can tell, Arizona not only lacks a free press, they don't want one.)

"Restrictions on religion?" All Northern European countries have freedom of religion. The Pew institute puts them right on par with the US in their ranking: http://www.pewforum.org/files/2015/0...ns2015_GRI.pdf
I know - Scientologist are butthurt that Europe hasn't embraced their sham as a proper religion like the US did. They need to deal.

I would really like to hear about the "lower level of proof" to be convicted of a crime, that one is new. You don't want to get into the respective percentage of the population behind bars, do you?
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